pipes Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Hi, I'm on day 2. The main reason I'm here is that I had very well controlled diabetes for a few years (I was diagnosed 7 years ago) and then in the last two years, it's been crazy. I don't want to tell the long story, but we lost our medical insurance and then got new insurance and I ran a weird gamut of meds. What I'm on now is not enough to control my diabetes. Frequently, my fasting number in the morning is 180-200. I'm on the smallest dose of glipizide and a large amount of metformin. In an effort to take care of this outside of more meds and more headaches, I have been on two LCHF diets. I have done terribly on them. Numbers went down, weight went up (because I cheated enough to not have them work). I am so tired and scared of not being able to deal with this on a nutritional level, because I believe that is my answer. I've had diabetes since I was 35, and I think my body is still strong enough to reverse these effects with the right foods. I had a good first day here, but I found I was SO hungry 2 hours after meals that I had little snacks (olives, blueberries, walnuts in the recommended amount). My day was like this: Breakfast: 3 eggs with zucchini, coffee w/ coconut milk Snack: closed fist of walnuts Lunch: sauteed onions, zucchini, chicken breast w spices and a handful of cherries Snack: 6-10 olives Dinner: ground beef patty broken up into big pile of veggies, garlic, chili, coconut milk Snack: handful blueberries Have you found it's ok to transition out of the snacking? Would the snacking be more acceptable if it's just veggies? I'm very proud that I was 100% on not eating foods that are non-compliant, and I drank water all day and had no diet coke! But I'm worried that this won't give me the results I need because I didn't do it perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karen_Suep Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Before you go too crazy adjusting your diet, be aware you may need to talk to your Endo about adjusting. As far as diet goes, 3 template meals sans snacking should be adequate to help stabilize and bring down blood sugar. Also, I know for some on glib, you actually need more carbs for it to work well (it's really weird and I don't know the science) Maybe someone else more familiar with the oral meds can help? I've only ever used insulin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ree779 Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Hi I would give your body a couple of weeks to adjust to Whole30. I did my first Whole30 in January and saw more improvement in my blood sugar then any other changes I have made. It did take about 2 weeks to start seeing the changes. Don't panic if your body doesn't respond right away. I do need a snack mid to late afternoon since I tend to eat a latter dinner. But I try to have a combo of fat/carbs and protein. Boiled egg with olives is very good. Or an apple with almond butter. But that is what works for me. Hope this helps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipes Posted May 26, 2016 Author Share Posted May 26, 2016 Thank you. I packed some eggs today for the afternoon, because yesterday (day3) I was dying for something and had nothing to eat. Fish and broccoli would have been fine Were your blood sugars under control when you started? Three years ago I was paleo for about 2 weeks, not 100% but VERY close to that. My morning sugars had been consistently 115-130 in the weeks before that, and by day 4 I was at 96, and kept hitting 96 every morning (I was on insulin, but it was still amazing to see what eating this way did). Anyways, I am so excited to see the numbers drop. Thanks for your response! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praxisproject Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 How are you feeling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipes Posted May 29, 2016 Author Share Posted May 29, 2016 It's day 7 and I feel pretty great. My family drove up to the mountains to take some "nature walks" (we weren't really up for true hiking with our 3 year old). It was a nice way to spend the day and kept me away from thinking about weekend snacking. I'm a little worried that I had some guacamole without knowing the ingredients, but it seemed a better choice than salad dressing. I was very disappointed that this morning's blood sugars were 208. That's about what they were when I started, and yesterdays were 20 points lower, so I was getting excited. More than anything, what I want to see is some lower numbers. They are pretty good after eating, but that morning number is really the one that shows me how my body is doing. Yesterday's food: 2 eggs, 3 small pieces sausage, spinach, hot sauce salad with veggies, small amount of chopped chicken, guacamole instead of dressing (I was out) some sliced almonds and carrots on our walk, lots of seltzer water (my son now calls it "mommy's diet coke") Pulled pork with sugar-free apple cider (recipe off paleo site, so delicious!), sweet pea pods, big salad with olives, olive oil, vinegar 7 or 8 strawberries early bed, long sleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipes Posted May 29, 2016 Author Share Posted May 29, 2016 How are you feeling? Thank you for asking. I do feel like everything is running more smoothly. I don't feel tired in the afternoons (though I do still want sugar). I was in the office on Thursday and everyone was saying, "ugh, I'm exhausted" while they ate chocolate (there is chocolate in almost EVERY ROOM in this office) and I thought to myself, "huh, i feel fine." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praxisproject Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 If you want to bring your numbers down some more, you could try skipping the fruit and nuts and see if it makes a difference. Make sure you're getting enough protein with your template meals, you should also be having some extra food (pre & post WO meals) for your exercise/nature walks, or your body will be hungry. May be unrelated but you have a few FODMAPs in your list (cherries, pea pods, apple cider), some people find they can impact blood sugar numbers. Rules vs Recommendations http://whole30.com/2015/01/rules-recommendations/ You are only on Day 7 though, so give everything some time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ree779 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Thank you. I packed some eggs today for the afternoon, because yesterday (day3) I was dying for something and had nothing to eat. Fish and broccoli would have been fine Were your blood sugars under control when you started? Three years ago I was paleo for about 2 weeks, not 100% but VERY close to that. My morning sugars had been consistently 115-130 in the weeks before that, and by day 4 I was at 96, and kept hitting 96 every morning (I was on insulin, but it was still amazing to see what eating this way did). Anyways, I am so excited to see the numbers drop. Thanks for your response! Hi, When I started my blood sugar wasn't under control. I was 170-180 in the morning. When my Whole 30 was done, I was in the 130's. (doc wants me at 126) I really wish I had held off on Introduction. Because, within the first few weeks back, everything spiking again. Finally after figuring out what I need, I am starting to stabilize more. (ie fruit before bed helps me to keep a stable blood sugar when I wake up). A Balanced snack around 4 is a requirement. (fat/carb/protein combo) I sometimes work til 7 or 8 or I hit the gym after work. and if I don't have snack, my post gym blood sugar is near 200 because I waited too long to snack so the pancreas is working overtime. It was a struggle to move away from the no snacking mentally to realize my body needs a snack to stabilize my blood sugar. You have to find your own groove in Post Whole 30 life. I personally try really hard to make sure I follow the guideline of palm size protein, thumb size fat and the rest of the plate veggies. Don't get me wrong, post Whole 30 life I had birthday cake Sunday and Monday (FIL and sister) I don't stress out about it as the rest of my meals are balanced. You may have to adjust things to how your day and your body works. Try a few different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praxisproject Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Absolutely I've found grains de-stablise my blood sugar, but I don't have the same problem with potatoes or plantains (or other non-grain starches). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cr89 Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 I am so thankful to have stumbled upon this thread! I too have diabetes (Type 2) and I am doing the Whole30 to help get my blood sugar numbers under control. I would really like to push through the 30 days and beyond. Ideally, in a year (or less) from now, I would like to be off of my Metformin for the diabetes. I am only 26 and feel like this is the best time to get my lifestyle adjusted to better control my sugars. I would love to reverse my diabetes but I don't know if I will be able to as my diabetes is a result of my PCOS. Anyway, I just want to thank you for your original post and all those who have commented since! It's great to know I am not alone on this journey! C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praxisproject Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 Don't think you can't be free of diabetes because of PCOS, it has been done Make sure your doc is keeping up with your new numbers if you're on Metformin (or any other medication), some people end up with blood sugar lows as the drugs get too strong over time as their numbers drop. The drugs are to bring it down, but if you're also going down naturally, the dose can get far too high. I used to be Prediabetic and now I'm Normal! I do still keep an eye on my blood sugar, some things do seem to destabilize it a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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