Administrators ladyshanny Posted October 25, 2016 Administrators Share Posted October 25, 2016 On 23/10/2016 at 1:47 PM, kboe said: I may have made a mistake yesterday... I cook with teens as part of my job. One of them gave me a potato wedge to try and without even think had a bite. I didn't really think about it until this morning. First, it was deep fried in vegetable oil. And I can't remember if it was seasoned already but if it was the seasoning has both dextrose and MSG. I'm kicking my self for it. Recommendations on if I need to start back at 1 or not?? @kboe - You should read the "Do I have to start over" article linked below. Whether it was a genuine mistake or a blatant disregard of the rules, your body doesn't know the difference, especially if soy or MSG was involved. If you can find out about the oil source and whether it had MSG, that would help you make the decision. Some people like to add on days at the end......I'm not sure what day you're on but if the mistake happened on Day 10, for example, you could do a Whole40 so it's not such a mental blow to start back over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfzak Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 @ladyshanny Thank you and you're right about me and the Meal Planner. I also follow the shopping list with the "best" items highlighted in blue. Any help on the veggie issue so that more of them are put into my meal plan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators ladyshanny Posted October 25, 2016 Administrators Share Posted October 25, 2016 @sfzak - sorry, we are't equipped to support RealPlans. I'm not familiar with their interface at all. Do they have a support forum or contact info? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfzak Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Oh! @ladyshanny I didn't realize that Real Plans was completely separate. I mean I knew but...... Oh well. I'll check it out over there. Thank you. While I'm posting and asking anyway, I'm pretty sure the answer to this question is in here somewhere, but I can't find it even by entering words in search. I see all over the forums that people get tired. I have this problem almost immediately after I eat. I saw one place where there are reasons for this but I do everything that was suggested in that post. So if someone can tell me why this happens and why it happens to so many people, I'd really appreciate it. And any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators ladyshanny Posted October 25, 2016 Administrators Share Posted October 25, 2016 @sfzak - could you give a rundown on a typical couple days of food? Include portions, specific veggies and fats, fluids, sleep, exercise and stress. Some of the bigger culprits of feeling tired during the day are: not eating enough, not drinking enough water, going too "low carb", eating too many starchy veggies and not enough greenery, not salting one's food, relying heavily on fruit or nuts. As you can see, there are a myriad reasons why you might be getting tired. Let's have a look at what you're doing and see if there is a tweak we can suggest. Might also be beneficial if you would explain how Whole30 differs from your previous diet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfzak Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 @ladyshanny I can answer 2 questions in one answer. I'm thinking that my problem is portion. I was on Atkins and was able to lose 30 lbs. That was a long time ago. So now I have health issues. So I want to get healthy. Any time you ask how to lose weight, it's always portion control so perhaps I'm not eating enough veggies. Since I am pre-diabetic my husband thinks it's my sugar level so I eat a few strawberries, a couple slices of apple or pear. I try to eat these immediately after I eat so that it's not another meal or snack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators ladyshanny Posted October 25, 2016 Administrators Share Posted October 25, 2016 @sfzak - we aren't medical professionals and cannot dispense medical information. All I can do is give you experiential information based on having been on these forums for a couple years. You are not doing yourself any favours in the blood sugar regulation department by continuing to rely on fruits. I'm not saying not to do it and you know yourself best. But if you are in a position to, I would suggest you consider laying off of all fruit for 7-10 days and allow your body to become fat adapted. Every time you throw fruit into your body when you believe you need bumping up, you are preventing your body from learning to switch to burning fat for energy. You are PRE-diabetic, not diabetic. This means that you should have some wiggle room with which to make some gentle changes and see if it helps. Again though, not a doctor and this is not medical advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators SugarcubeOD Posted October 25, 2016 Moderators Share Posted October 25, 2016 16 hours ago, SabaiGuy said: I'm working with a personal trainer who is weighing me at visits. I'll refrain from mentioning the weight in the future on the forum until after a 30 day result. I meant it to be an encouragement. Thanks for the advice on meal size. I'm just 6 days in, so making adjustments like that makes sense. Hey there @SabaiGuy- I edited your post to remove the scale results. As Shannon said, it's an actual rule, just like 'no dairy'. It's not that we want you to refrain from mentioning it on the forums to satisfy us... we want you to honor all the rules equally to get the most out of the program. I get that your trainer wants to weigh you, often they do... but he/she works for YOU and what you've embarked on means that you don't monitor your own weight for 30 days. Please consider taking this rule to heart along with the other rules... the program was thoughtfully and specifically designed to help focus on health and wellbeing, not just a number on the scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfzak Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 5 hours ago, ladyshanny said: @sfzak - we aren't medical professionals and cannot dispense medical information. All I can do is give you experiential information based on having been on these forums for a couple years. You are not doing yourself any favours in the blood sugar regulation department by continuing to rely on fruits. I'm not saying not to do it and you know yourself best. But if you are in a position to, I would suggest you consider laying off of all fruit for 7-10 days and allow your body to become fat adapted. Every time you throw fruit into your body when you believe you need bumping up, you are preventing your body from learning to switch to burning fat for energy. You are PRE-diabetic, not diabetic. This means that you should have some wiggle room with which to make some gentle changes and see if it helps. Again though, not a doctor and this is not medical advice. @ladyshanny. Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my questions but I would never request medical advise, I was just giving info. I guess you have to put that in there for legal reasons, but no, I don't need or want medical advice. So, I'm definitely taking your experiential advise and won't be having fruit for a while. I will try to drink more water. I'll try to fit it all in a few hours before bedtime or I'll be getting up a lot more at night. Thanks again, especially for your patience! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilyJR Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Day 11, and I'm kinda over it. My cravings aren't too strong, I am just tired of avoiding non-compliant food and all the planning, shopping, prep, cooking, cleanup, etc. that goes along with this. And, so far I have nothing to show for it. My digestion issues I gave up coffee for are still present and my energy level is equitable to what it was prior to starting Whole30. I checked the timeline and actually align exactly with what they say to expect on Day 11. I'm just hoping to get to the Tiger Blood soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators ladyshanny Posted October 26, 2016 Administrators Share Posted October 26, 2016 15 hours ago, sfzak said: I guess you have to put that in there for legal reasons Yep. We do.....because some people could misinterpret our "expertise" as medical direction which it is definitely not. Glad you understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators ladyshanny Posted October 26, 2016 Administrators Share Posted October 26, 2016 12 hours ago, EmilyJR said: Day 11, and I'm kinda over it. My cravings aren't too strong, I am just tired of avoiding non-compliant food and all the planning, shopping, prep, cooking, cleanup, etc. that goes along with this. And, so far I have nothing to show for it. My digestion issues I gave up coffee for are still present and my energy level is equitable to what it was prior to starting Whole30. I checked the timeline and actually align exactly with what they say to expect on Day 11. I'm just hoping to get to the Tiger Blood soon. Check out the timeline linked in my signature below. Days 10-11 are the days that people are most likely to throw in the towel. What you're feeling is totally normal! If you want to try giving yourself a break, go with simpler, "hot plate" or "cold plate" meal ideas. You don't have to cook new and majestic meals every day. Canned salmon with cubed sweet potato and steamed green beans makes a lovely dinner. And breakfast. And lunch. Make a batch of Chocolate Chili and eat that for days. (it is SO quick and easy to make) You can do this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kboe Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 @Rockinred I am glad to hear that you did not let your mistakes derail you and you have a plan in place moving forward to keep it from happening again. Don't beat yourself up, for most of us the feeling guilty for food choices is what brought us to the Whole 30. Learn from it and move forward!! @EmilyJR I totally get the over feeling about cooking and cleaning up! I had a mountain of dishes that I tackled this morning. It was pretty sad that I let it get that far but there were some days that it took all my effort just to get a meal made. I know people say clean up as you go but when I get home from work at 10:30pm exhausted but I still need to eat another meal it was all I could do to make/find something to eat!! Now on to me...Things have been going okay. I haven't had any errors in eating something I shouldn't recently so that is a good thing BUT my horrible eating habits have returned. My work schedule varies greatly and there were often times when I would end up skipping meals and going to bed or snacking as meal instead of making something. Well yesterday it started again I only ate 2 meals. I did not snack like I usually do but the fact that I know I ignored my hunger symptoms is concerning. How will I learn to eat well when I am ignoring my body. I know I need to plan better because sometimes I do not bring a meal with me to work. I am thinking I will be going longer than just the 5 days to make up for my mistake so my eating is more consistent and body learns that when it tells me it is hungry it will get fuel. I am definitely paying for the decision today!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfzak Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Question. I love soup. Since there are so many veggies and I can't stand to see anything go to waste, I take everything out of the fridge and throw it in a big pot with whatever stock I have. Always turns out good. What could be bad? Now here's my question. Before W30 my eating habits were less than stellar. Whenever I had soup I loved having a buttered roll or some kind of bread or crackers. So when I have soup now, I really miss the roll. Can anyone suggest anything to have with soup that could replace bread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators ladyshanny Posted October 26, 2016 Administrators Share Posted October 26, 2016 5 minutes ago, sfzak said: Question. I love soup. Since there are so many veggies and I can't stand to see anything go to waste, I take everything out of the fridge and throw it in a big pot with whatever stock I have. Always turns out good. What could be bad? Now here's my question. Before W30 my eating habits were less than stellar. Whenever I had soup I loved having a buttered roll or some kind of bread or crackers. So when I have soup now, I really miss the roll. Can anyone suggest anything to have with soup that could replace bread? Erm....not really....and that's not really the point of Whole30, is it? I would suggest you make the soup hearty by limiting the amount of broth you use so that it is more stew-like than brothy, thin soup-like. Second, add cubed up red potatoes or sweet potatoes for the carb-y hit of a good soup. And finally, make sure you add fat to your soup, I love cubed up avocado on top of ALL soup sprinkled with an absurd amount of diamond kosher salt. We eat soup quite a bit over the winter and these three things above are the only way that we can do it as a meal without feeling starved or deprived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfzak Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 @ladyshanny. Once again, thank you for your help. Oh well. I really didn't think so. My soups are chock full of veggies with not a lot of broth and I always have potatoes that go in. Besides that I'm allergic to avocado, which by the way is a big part of W30. Maybe more fat. I'll definitely try that. But I'll still miss the roll. By the way, I'm think I'm regaining my energy. I did a lot of work outside today and that always makes me feel good. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kallista Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Phew, day 12 almost down!! @Rockinred- How are you doing? @EmilyJR - Hear you on the being over the amount of labor that goes into this! I know you shared at the beginning that you wanted to get to the bottom of a bunch of digestive issues, and you're so much closer to doing so, hang in there!! @kboe - I am struggling with that too and have come really close to sliding back into skipping lunch these last few days :/ Overall today has been up and down. Energy's great, but so bloated that I'm hating wearing clothing right now Hoping that ends soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendy W Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 @Rockinred It seems like when exhaustion sets in, it is so much more difficult to make good decisions. I read your last post and it didn't sound like you actually fell OFF the Whole 30. I am just starting Day 13. So far, I think that Monday (day10) was the hardest. I had a meeting at a restaurant and I didn't have time to eat enough before going-nothing was prepared and I was running late. Then people were having yummy beer and other stuff. But I drank some soda water with lemon. However, driving home I soon wanted to stop for something. I made it home and was able to put something Whole 30 together. Today I had lots of tempting things staring at me in the face and I realized I am a scavenger. I am constantly wanting to pick up random things laying around and eat them. I must have done that all the time before this Whole 30 thing. I am better prepared now, so I am hoping I can just stay full on the Whole 30 stuff. I am finding that I need to eat a lot more food (which takes a LOT of time) to stay full for 4-5 hours. The tea idea sounds good. I might have some right now:-) I have ground pork thawed in my fridge and I need to find a good recipe with ground pork to have tomorrow night! Hang in there Rockinred! Our Food Freedom will come... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinred Posted October 27, 2016 Author Share Posted October 27, 2016 Hi lovely whole30ers-- Day 13. I am battling my sugar dragon again. In general I feel great but I think overeating the almond butter and apples earlier in the week released my sugar dragon. I'm feeling like I need to go a couple days with no fruit to really squash him especially with Halloween around the corner. @Wendy W, great job on sticking with the soda and lemon and making it home without stopping! I'm having to eat so much to stay satisfied for the 4+ hours. I had 4 eggs the other morning and I've never eaten eggs like that before. @EmilyJR, @Kallista, @kboe -- I am loving reading everyone's posts. I find it so supportive and motivating. I should also mention I have a head cold. It's definitely slowed me down this week. I haven't hit the treadmill this week. I haven't taken any cold meds either as I don't want to ingest anything not Whole30 approved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinred Posted October 27, 2016 Author Share Posted October 27, 2016 And @Mountaingirl9, how are you doing? We haven't heard from you since day 8. I hope you're hangin' in there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kallista Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Feeling really frustrated today and like I want to quit I look and feel so much heavier (plus my clothes are all super tight/verging on not being wearable). I tend to have a flat stomach and gain on my hips/thighs, but right now I look about 5 months pregnant my stomach is so distended. As I'm not eating any more veggies than I have before and I didn't do grains or dairy before this and don't have much of a sweet tooth, I'm at a loss as to why my body is responding this way. If I had the next 30 days to chill out in my house in sweatpants that'd be fine, but this is making me feel really self-conscious! As I came in hoping to begin to drop the 15 extra pounds I've been carrying, gaining is also pretty upsetting. I know the timeline indicates that day 13 is still close to the "pants tighter range," but just feeling discouraged and worrying that I'll only get larger in the next 2 weeks (I know worrying doesn't help either). I don't weight myself, so its not so much about the scale as it is just feeling good in my clothes and my body! Any advice guys? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinred Posted October 28, 2016 Author Share Posted October 28, 2016 Oh no! That's discouraging! My tummys been bloated but I think that was nuts and fruit for me. Please hang in there! At least another 5 days?! I know it's tough especially if you need to look nice for work and your clothes aren't fitting well. remind me, is this your first Whole30? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinred Posted October 28, 2016 Author Share Posted October 28, 2016 Are you working out more than normal? Maybe it's muscle?! I say at least give yourself another 5 days. Then you'll be at "tiger blood" hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountaingirl9 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 12 hours ago, Rockinred said: And @Mountaingirl9, how are you doing? We haven't heard from you since day 8. I hope you're hangin' in there! Doing ok. Thanks for checking in on me! Been reading everyone's posts and appreciate all the inspiration but haven't had much time or much different to say. Finishing day 12 & sticking with it though I am getting bored with food. Been keeping meals simple because I don't have a ton of time but been making 2 more complicated recipes a week and eating those for a couple meals. Have to get more creative so I don't get even more bored! The other challenge I've been running into is feeling satisfied. I'm an amateur athlete and some days I train 8+ hours high up in the mountains. Other days shorter but still consistent exercise and most days involve at least a few hours of effort. I eat a ton but without carbs (other than potatoes and fruit which i still eat a good amount of) and sugar I'm having trouble feeling satisfied and/or full sometimes. Thinking this is probably mental tho since at times I crave certain foods and not all foods which the book says is a good way to tell hunger vs craving. This is definitely tougher than I thought it would be & I underestimated the amount of time I would need but I'm hanging in & am determined to make it. Just like marathons and mountaineering- gotta take it one step at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ShannonM816 Posted October 28, 2016 Moderators Share Posted October 28, 2016 1 hour ago, Mountaingirl9 said: Doing ok. Thanks for checking in on me! Been reading everyone's posts and appreciate all the inspiration but haven't had much time or much different to say. Finishing day 12 & sticking with it though I am getting bored with food. Been keeping meals simple because I don't have a ton of time but been making 2 more complicated recipes a week and eating those for a couple meals. Have to get more creative so I don't get even more bored! The other challenge I've been running into is feeling satisfied. I'm an amateur athlete and some days I train 8+ hours high up in the mountains. Other days shorter but still consistent exercise and most days involve at least a few hours of effort. I eat a ton but without carbs (other than potatoes and fruit which i still eat a good amount of) and sugar I'm having trouble feeling satisfied and/or full sometimes. Thinking this is probably mental tho since at times I crave certain foods and not all foods which the book says is a good way to tell hunger vs craving. This is definitely tougher than I thought it would be & I underestimated the amount of time I would need but I'm hanging in & am determined to make it. Just like marathons and mountaineering- gotta take it one step at a time. Be sure your meals are toward the upper end of the range mentioned in the meal template. You are active enough that you could have a starchy vegetable at each meal. Those include potatoes; sweet potatoes; root vegetables like beets, turnips, rutabaga, carrots, parsnips; winter squashes like butternut, acorn, or kabocha squash; or plantains. Have other types of vegetables too, but it's OK to have starchy ones if you need them. Additionally, be sure you're adding fat in addition to what you cook in to each meal, and be sure you're getting pre- and post-workout meals in addition to your regular meals. I'm sure you know to drink lots of water, and be sure you're salting our food. I know you say you're having fruit for the starches, but some people actually find that having fruit with their first meal of the day leaves them hungry or craving later in the day, so if you are having fruit with that meal, maybe try leaving it out for a few days, increasing vegetables instead, and see how you do. It may not make a difference for you, but it couldn't hurt to try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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