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I had to dig this post up from 2.5 years ago - there's eerily some truth to it.
 
Re: eggs =/= dairy - I don't think that you can be too harsh on people.  The food pyramid (great bastion of the SAD diet and taught in most, if not all, North American public schools) has eggs in the dairy quadrant (or band of the "rainbow" in the new scheme), along with milk, cheese, butter, yogurt, etc.  Not sure why.  Would make more sense in the "meats & alternatives" where they have the fish, tofu, beans and legumes.
 
Fascinating reading on the "marketing" of the food pyramid (and myriad other subjects) is in Michael Pollan's "In Defense of Food: An Eater's Manifesto."  He certainly points out how little "real food" there is in grocery and supermarkets these days.
 
Cheers,
 
-Lauren (GGG)

So on the "eggs are dairy" topic
 
I worked at a Gluten-free and allergen friendly baker for about a year. Absolutely loved the job, had to leave because the owners were bat crap crazy. So we had to know every ingredient in all the products, over 100 products total. It was crazy but we were dealing with people who could die if they ate eggs, dairy, nuts. 
 
So when a new customer comes in the first thing we would do was ask them what they could not have and mark up our menu with everything they could/couldn't have. Everything is marked with "EF" egg free, "DF" dairy free and so on. I can not tell you how many times people would come in and say they couldn't have dairy and I was like awesome, you can have everything but 2 things. Then as I'm showing them what they can have they see the "EF" and ask what that means. I say Egg free, and suddenly its "oh I can't eat eggs!" These are people with sever reactions to eggs, like throat closes up and they die and they didn't know that eggs are not dairy. It was sad and terrifying that their doctors never explained it to them. 

Soy is one of the big 8 allergens - if there was soy in it it would HAVE to be listed in the ingredients.

You're good to go with these.

Hello to all the Aussies out there. You are VERY quiet!
 
Not sure if anyone lives in the North West of Sydney (like me), but I just happened upon an amazing place called "Flame N Chooks" Lebanese Cuisine, at Round Corner, Dural. Check out their FB page https://www.facebook.com/flamenchook?rf=261916650584646
 
These guys are open 7 days, they offer gorgeous homemade Lebanese food without added sugar, gluten, other nasties. Even their tabouli is gluten free (no cracked wheat)! They have grilled fish, butterflied grilled chicken with lemon & fresh locally grown herbs - a Whole30er's gourmet delight!
 
I bought enough food there today for lunch AND dinner, and next time I'm doing a Macca's run for my teenagers, our nearby take-away option will be this place!!!

Hi Lady Shanny, yes true, but this IS an Emergency Kit - not a daily food substituion. Canola is compliant as you say in eating out circumstances - so my decision to allow it in an emergency won't let me lose any sleep. Shame I couldn't find the olive oil variety here in Australia...

I hate to burst your bubble but the Canola Oil in the seaweed would make it....er.....technically non compliant. Canola is only permitted if you are eating out and cannot avoid it, not if you are purchasing ingredients or food products. :'(

OK, here it is:
 
Recently in #10 of the bi-weekly Wholesome email http://whole30.com/2...oot-provisions/, they talked about 'Food on the Fly' and in particular a W30 Emergency Kit by Barefoot Provisions (for $45). This contained:
 
3 complete mini-meals
3 protein-only options
3 healthy fat options
3 veggie options
 
The idea of which was, if you find yourself in a position where 'proper' compliant food is not available, and leaves you either having to skip a meal or makes you consider eating non compliant food, these 'processed' food options are a great backup.
 
Of course living in Australia, I couldn't purchase the kit, in particular the jerky. So I went on a quest to create my own kit, covering off the above 4 options.
 
If you're living in Australia, maybe this will help you...
 

 
These were the only compliant products I could find...
 
Complete mini-meal - Combination of the below
Fruit only snack option (not to be eaten on its own) - FRUIT WISE 100% FRUIT - Ingredients: Dehydrated apple & apricot
Protein-only option - TRAVEL LITE TUCKER - Ingredients: King Island Prime Beef Jerk, Celtic & Rock Sea Salts
Healthy fat option - Nuts!
Veggie option - ORGANIC PREMIUM SEASONED LAVER (SEAWEED) Ingredients: Organic Laver, Organic Canola Oil, Sea Salt.
Veggie & Healthy Fat Option - FLATS (Zucchini & Almond) Ingredients: Zucchini, Almonds, Linseed, Water, Lemon Juice, Garlic, Thyme, Salt, Spices.
Note: I thought the SOMBA BITE (Fig & Wild Citrus) was compliant, but contains: Organic Figs, Organic Cashews, Organic Almonds, Organic Macadamias, Organic Pea Protein , Organic Coconut, Lemon Myrtle Blend, Orance Juice Powder, Kakadu Plum, Rosemary Extract, Himilayan Salt (just one pesky non-compliant ingredient)...
 
Total cost for 3 mini meals, 3 veggie options, 3 protein only options, 3 fat only options - approx A$38.00.
 
If you're in another country, maybe you could create your own emergency kit? Lot's of luck everyone..... xx

Woo hoo! Received my pack of jerky from Tassie today. I'm just getting together all the photos of the products I've selected for my 'Emergency Kit' and I'll share them with you soon....I'm starting my 2nd W30 on Sunday (March 1st) with a bunch of newbies, & some 2nd timers. Are there any Aussies looking to join us on March 1st?

Hey Praxisproject - I agree re: the berries. I don't want Hep A so as long as we're not eating the berries from China, I think we should be OK.
 
Yes, that's what I thought re: the Emergency Kit products that contained meat. They're the ones that we can't import as you say.
 
The snack packs included in the Barefoot Provisions Emergency Kit cover the following categories so you can either have a complete mini meal, or use one of the other options and add it to your meal so you CAN create a complete meal in a flash.
3 complete mini-meals 3 protein-only options 3 healthy fat options 3 veggie options I might investigate this and see if I can come up with my own 'Aussie W30 Emergency Kit'  of course I'll share my findings with you! Don't you wish you owned a dehydrator in times like this....my vegetarian friend has a dehydrator, but I think it would be a bit off, asking her to bake some meat & fruit bars for me....  

Oh WOW! I can't believe I finally found this thread guys!!!! I've met a few of you (Praxisproject) etc on other threads, but didn't know this Aussie one existed till now!
 
I completed my first W30 on Jan 1 this year, and am doing another one on March 1 (via this new thread http://forum.whole9life.com/topic/25294-starting-march-1/),  with hubby this time.
 
After reading through the recent 'Wholesome #10" newsletter, I got a little frustrated that so many amazing products are available in the US to make W30 life just a little easier/more fun, and we here in Oz either can't import them or if we can, we have to wait for them to arrive. eg:
NEW! Whole30 Emergency Food Kit from Barefoot Provisions Emergency Food Kit. 
 
Does anyone share my frustration? Why don't we have similar products here, or if we do, why are they so hard to find?

Canadians have the same general issues. Although we are close neighbours (and in my case, 15 minutes away from the US border), we cannot import a lot of what they get and if we can, the shipping and duty are exorbitant.
When Mel Joulwan of started doing a Quarterly box, I looked into signing up. I think the box of goodies was $50 and the shipping was more than double, it was really ridiculous.
For me, I just pretend that stuff doesn't exist rather than try to get it and frustrate or bankrupt myself. And then I celebrate the things I can get....like grass fed lamb bones for stock.....for FREE from my cute butcher.

My thinking is this, and I am neither a scientist nor a mod, so take it with a grain of salt: If you've already done two Whole30s and haven't noticed anything that, say, makes you need to stay away from gluten or dairy forever due to the dire consequences, the likelihood that you will suddenly do another Whole30 and find yourself completely unable to tolerate a latte after is pretty low. That's not to say that for your entire life you'll be able to do that. Bodies change, and so do our awarenesses, but I doubt it would happen that dramatically.
 
If you're scared to tell your friends to do a Whole30 because something like that might happen to them, well, a) if that does happen, it probably means it's something that's better for their health, and b ) their decision to do a Whole30 is on them. Not you. You can share your experience, point them to ISWF or this web site, but it's their decision. If they're actually angry at you if it turns out pizza makes them sick, that seems like a different issue.

Just because you felt okay before, doesn't mean that food hasn't been doing you some serious damage.
 
I ate wheat and gluten all my life, had a bunch of weird health issues doctors were unable to identify/resolve, but I never considered myself to be a "sick" person.
 
After my first Whole30 I was astonished to find out that gluten makes me sick, really sick!
 
I could have kept eating it my whole life, but it also might have killed me. One of the unresolved symptoms I had was an irregular heart beat which can induce a heart attack (gluten induced ataxia). Cardiologists said my heart was fine, which it was, but it might not have been if I continued to eat gluten my whole life. As we get older, our bodies don't always bounce back from abuse the way they did when we were younger.

Just because you felt okay before, doesn't mean that food hasn't been doing you some serious damage.
 
I ate wheat and gluten all my life, had a bunch of weird health issues doctors were unable to identify/resolve, but I never considered myself to be a "sick" person.
 
After my first Whole30 I was astonished to find out that gluten makes me sick, really sick!
 
I could have kept eating it my whole life, but it also might have killed me. One of the unresolved symptoms I had was an irregular heart beat which can induce a heart attack (gluten induced ataxia). Cardiologists said my heart was fine, which it was, but it might not have been if I continued to eat gluten my whole life. As we get older, our bodies don't always bounce back from abuse the way they did when we were younger.

Just because you felt okay before, doesn't mean that food hasn't been doing you some serious damage.
 
I ate wheat and gluten all my life, had a bunch of weird health issues doctors were unable to identify/resolve, but I never considered myself to be a "sick" person.
 
After my first Whole30 I was astonished to find out that gluten makes me sick, really sick!
 
I could have kept eating it my whole life, but it also might have killed me. One of the unresolved symptoms I had was an irregular heart beat which can induce a heart attack (gluten induced ataxia). Cardiologists said my heart was fine, which it was, but it might not have been if I continued to eat gluten my whole life. As we get older, our bodies don't always bounce back from abuse the way they did when we were younger.

Evening everyone! 
About to start my next Whole 30 tomorrow morning, and finally got my husband to join in! 
I buy my coconut aminos and coconut oil from the Paleo Cafe, good price, but make sure you pick up the aminos and not the syrup, as my husband accidentally picked up the wrong one for me a few weeks ago, and had to exchange it. I often use it as a bit of dressing on a roast veg salad, which is what I usually have for lunch with some roasted meat. I also use it in Nom Nom's Asian Meatballs recipe, or if I need to marinate anything. I'm still having trouble getting W30 fish sauce though.... Will be down in Melbourne next month, might need to sniff it out then.... I've used anchovies in place of the fish sauce in recipes, obviously a different taste, but still unami. 
 
Aldi's prosciutto is just pork and salt, and crisps very nicely. As far as I can tell, none of their other hams etc are W30 ok. Their smoked salmon was though, which is very nice on eggs for breakfast, or with salad too. 
 
Good luck!

I can enjoy everything I used to eat with very mild consequences, if any, as long as I don't eat it often. You might be the same as me. Especially if you have done a Whole30 or two and not had any issues thus far - did I read your post correctly?
 
Or you might be like my beer-loving friend, who now realizes that drinking beer makes her eyeballs itch and her shoulder tendinitis flare up (which was happening pre-W30, too, she just didn't know what was causing it).
 
Dairy - just makes my stomach a little bloaty & gassy, same as before, but back then I didn't know that wasn't normal.
Gluten - a small difference in my morning constitutional, some mild stomach gurgliness, but nothing that changes my routine. Pretty mild stuff. May have been the same as before, I'm not really sure on this one.
Legumes - again, bloaty & gassy, same as before.
Sugar - total slippery slope, I'm likely to eat way too much of it. Same as before W30. Sugar addiction was the thing that brought me to Whole30. Now I know how to starve out my Sugar Dragon anytime I need to do so.
Alcohol - I totally notice that I don't sleep as well after drinking (same as before). But, I have a better handle on alcohol after doing 3 Whole30s.
Soy - have only reintro'd soy sauce, it gave me a pounding heart for 4 hours, which was just unpleasant. However knowing what I know about soy/MSG and excitotoxins, I stay away from this stuff. Totally not worth the risk. From Wikipedia:
 
 
Obviously, you have to weigh the risks for yourself.

All I will say is that they have a potential on getting their health back.  I don't know - is that worth it?
 
Aches and pains have a tendency of disappearing.  Maybe its magic. or possibly pixie dust.  Or it could be something that you are eating.  Who knows.

 
This is what riding your own bike is all about.  No one can tell you how your body will respond when you remove foods or when you add them back in. It's an experiment of n=1, as frequently stated in the forum.  
 
Sure, let your friends know that they may have no discernible reactions or they may have significant physical or psychological reactions if they choose to reintroduce certain foods post-Whole30. From that point, it's their call whether they embark on a Whole30 and decide how they want to ride their bike going forward.  
 
Many people go into a Whole30 thinking they will never be able to stop eating a certain food long term, and are shocked to discover, as a result of doing a Whole30, that that's exactly what they want to do.

Despite my issues (which I know are mine) I don't turn down going out for dinner or I don't turn down going over to somebodies house for a meal.  Even when I am doing a whole 30.  All it needs is some extra planning and communication on my part.
 
The big item that I need to avoid is dairy.  All the others I will eat and enjoy and then deal with the various consequences for the next 24 hrs.  For me it's no big deal.  My body has healed to a degree where small occasional consumption of something like corn or legumes won't be life changing.  It will be uncomfortable - but not long term problematic.

Lady Shanny - I too had eczema (full body) when I was child. So I truly feel your pain. I honestly thought I grew out if it as it stopped when I hit puberty. I did have one doctor who did make the connection between dairy and my eczema but she suggested skim milk and eliminate butter. :/
 
BTW - have you discovered the beauty of coconut ice cream?  (Disclaimer: Not encouraged to eat while on a whole 30)  It is a beautiful, beautiful thing on those hot humid summer days. 

Wow, Carla, that is a very moving story, kudos to you for sharing that!  It is absolutely amazing the effect that food can have on our bodies and makes me cringe even more when I hear people whose doctors say "sure, you can change your diet but it won't help...but here, take these pills".
 
For me, the things that have vastly improved my quality of life by my awareness...and by awareness I also mean I still indulge from time to time but well aware of the risks:
 
Dairy (for me ice cream, butter and cheese): full body eczema...and I do mean full body...if you catch my meaning. I wake up in the morning with blood caked under my fingernails from night scratching and of course getting in the shower is sheer agony after a night of tearing up my skin....not to mention how not well rested I am.  One instance of dairy including that which is in butter will react by the next day and last for close to 14 days.
Soy: dear God, the stomach issues.
Sugar: I'm an addict to it and it manifests in all the typical addictive ways: anger, guilt, sneaking, hiding, lying.  That is not a healthy experience either physically or psychologically.
 
Are these life threatening?  No.  But they reduced my quality of life (think angry, itchy and crapping myself) and without Whole30 I never would have found out.  Yes, it absolutely BLOWS not to have ice cream all summer long.  It seriously compromises what restaurants we go to (although once we've found favourites that are willing to play nice, we tip handsomely and have become regulars!).  It is scary and depressing and annoying and sad.  But my sad lasts about 10 minutes on a hot day while the hubby is eating an ice cream.  The rest of my life is so much happier and healthier. 

This is post is going to be a bit TMI.  This is a very personal struggle that I have for a good many years,  This is to demonstrate the power that food has over our bodies.
 
Since the age of 14 (I am 38 now) I suffered having painful boils along my bikini line.  Walking or just plain sitting was painful.  Later on they escalated getting bigger (ping pong ball size) and then they arrived under my armpits and breasts.  Dr's didn't know what caused them.  Creams that didn't help (helped with healing a bit) and lancing.  But that's all that they would do.  I gave up and assumed that they were just a miserable part of my life.
 
In August of 2012 I did my first whole 30.  By day 10 all the boils had cleared and no new ones were forming.  By day 30 I had only one come up the entire time. (They were chronically there)  My triggers after re-intros - dairy and pork. (Note I can only eat pork that has been extremely over cooked - think shoe leather or extra crispy bacon - which I like)  The boils that I get from pork pass quickly 2 -3 days at most.  The ones I get from dairy happen within hours of consumption and they last for 2 weeks.  So yeah I consumed dairy (and I loved dairy) for years but I also suffered for years too.  So dairy in my book - so not worth it.  
 
The whole 30 just made me very aware of what's going on in my body.
Sugar - not my friend even though I keep on coming back to it. Throws my hormones out of whack.
Soy - no physical problems - all mental problems - I get angry, moody and depressed when I am exposed to soy.  I was extremely depressed (undiagnosed) prior to whole 30.
Dairy - well we covered this above
Non-gluten grains - severe bathroom issues.  That is all I will say about that
Gluten grains - I can "tolerate" these but only if they have a lot of fat.  So a croissant/danish gives me no stomach issues but a slice of bread will feel like I swallowed a bowling ball.
 
Each one of these items I will consume from time to time.  I make the choice though.  I can make an educated choice with each one of these items if it is worth it" or not.  Sure some friends and family think I am just being difficult, but they don't know what I was going through before.  Some congratulate me that I am so in tune with my body.  
 
Listen - it took a lot of work to get here.  Many people are scared of that work, I am sorry to say.  But all I can say is YOU are worth this work.  Who cares what the rest of the world think.

That reasoning seems a little strange to me.  My husband quit smoking 2 years ago and now being around smoke makes his eyes burn and really bothers him, even though when he was a smoker, he seriously enjoyed smoking.  It would be like if he said, "I don't want to quit smoking (or I shouldn't have quit smoking) because I used to love to smoke but now cigarettes makes my eyes burn and my lungs hurt."  Well....they are SUPPOSED to make your eyes hurt and your lungs burn because they are doing terrible things to your body!! When he was a smoker, his body was just so damaged that it didn't notice the effects anymore.  Once the body heals, then it is able to recognize poison again.  The Whole30 doens't make your body turn against foods you like, it heals your body, and when your body is healed, it's not going to be happy when you try to harm it.

I went through a situation like you describe with milk. It affected me a lot more when I reintroduced it, than before I did whole30. Now, 2 years later, my poor gut has healed to the extent that if I want, I can go to a cafe and get a hot chocolate and I don't react too badly. However, I know if I did that every day, I would be doing internal damage and just feel like crap, so I save it for the BEST hot chocolate, and the richest, most decadent ice cream, and the knowledge of how to keep myself healthy and feeling wonderful is worth it 1000 times over.
Hope that helps.