MimiHi

Hi LaughingSun, I'm starting my Whole30 SIBO version tomorrow (3/2)...so you won't be on your own, I'll be around. I keep a daily journal in the journaling section--

Hi Karen, Sorry to hear about your thyroid issues. My daughter had a hemi-thyroidectomy 2 years ago, so I'm very empathetic anytime I hear about someone dealing with similar issues. Have you heard about SIBO?? You might want to check out the symptoms because your allergies/intolerances sound a lot like mine (eggs, yeast, whey protein) I was recently diagnosed with SIBO--the symptoms of which really flared up during after the second week of my whole30...I ultimately had to stop at Day18 because my doctor wanted me just to focus on SIBO approved foods, and not worry about following a Whole30 at that time. Like you, I didn't feel any better on my Whole30, only much much worse, this was due to the fact that about 90% of what I was eating was NOT SIBO Specific Diet approved. Even though it was Whole30 compliant, certain foods are not allowed on SIBO diet (for reasons I won't go into here right now)... this is not to say one can't do a SIBO version of Whole30, you definitely can, but I wasn't doing that because at the time I didn't even know I had SIBO! The SIBO Specific Diet combines low-fodmap and SIBO diet. You can definitely do a Whole30, but the food lists will be a bit different. Some might say they're more restrictive but I definitely think you could do it. An example of the difference is things like fruit. If you have SIBO, you can have grapes, tangerines, mandarin oranges, pineapple, bananas (there are more but I won't list them all here), but not apples, dates, pears, peaches, nectarines...you can have peanut butter but only a tiny bit of almond butter (wouldn't have PB on Whole30,but could have hazelnut butter). Then there are certain vegetables you can and can't have (FODMAP)...so it's very do-able but takes a bit of getting used to it all. Anyway, I might suggest checking out the Sibo Specific Diet and perhaps getting tested for SIBO...Like you, I've had a hysterectomy (and breast cancer), so lots of surgeries and antibiotics, and all that good stuff which can create SIBO....I suffered for 3 years, feeling like cr*p everyday, trying to lose the 30 pounds I instantly gained after my hysterectomy and nothing worked. I started my Whole30 and things got so bad I thought I was having an appendicitis every day! Thank goodness it wasn't that, just too many foods not allowed for those with SIBO. I feel very grateful for my Whole30 experience, even though the outcome wasn't what I initially hoped would happen. It forced my SIBO to the forefront of my health and now I'm on the herbal antibiotics and following the SIBO diet, I feel much much better. So much better, that I'm strongly considering giving myself another go at doing a Whole30 SIBO Style!

I Have the same MTHFR and it never occurred to me that maybe that’s why I’m feeling so lousy each day. I’m doing the SIBO test prep tomorrow, with test on Monday. Have you been tested for that? To answer your question, I just stay focused on getting thru the day, not giving up. Ive actually discovered that a lot of the healthy foods I eat daily aren’t so healthy for me personally, so even though my Whole30 isn’t reaping the typical “feeling great” rewards, it’s still helping me sort thru other issues.

Here's my view on RunnerMom continuing on, and I say this knowing full well it's against the rules of the Whole30. Yes, we all can agree she screwed up by consuming soy in her tuna, however by quitting now, RunnerMom misses out on the opportunity to discover other issues she may have with food. My point is not about the soy exposure, which I agree impacts her body's reset, my point is that there is also the emotional-connection-to-food component we are to address during these 30days, and that's what she will miss out on. Isn't part of the goal of a Whole30 to examine our relationship with food?

This is disgusting. Seriously, this is the extent to which foods are hidden?? It’s appalling that we can’t buy a can of tuna and actually expect to have just tuna in the can. I fell so badly for you, Runnermom. I really do. I hate to see you quit over such deception. I understand the rules and all, I just hate to see you quit when you’ve been working so hard. My vote is you stick around, keep going and finish the 30 days. It won’t be a perfect reset, but you’ve discovered something very valuable for your long term health, and in my book that’s very important too. Sorry moderators, I acknowledge my statement goes against the rules of the Whole30. I simply find this type of thing very upsetting when we are all trying so hard to be compliant, and I hate to see Runnermom give up due to something like this. With much Aloha for your hard work, MimiHI.

Thank you SugarcubeOD for your reply. I agree, I think I need to just go ahead, bite the bullet and take that darn test. i did print out the Histamine Intolerance pdf, and will follow that in the meantime, along with the AIP, FODMAP, and egg/nightshade... I guess I’m creating a hybrid of all the special Whole30 foodguide PDFs...hopefully this will help illeviate some of my symptoms. What’s weird is that I was feeling really great the first few days, and I’m eating the same things now as I was then, for the most part anyway.

Hi everyone. Thanks for starting this thread,LeighT-- I think I need to try exactly what you're doing...I'm on day 15 and have discovered some real painful symptoms happening that I can't quite figure out. I'm wondering if there is a SIBO Specific Whole30 food list? I'm knew to all this, so I'm a bit overwhelmed as to determining which Whole30 shopping list would be the best. Right now, I'm leaning to one I found called the Histamine Intolerance Whole30 food list, but this is only because it seems the most restrictive of all of them! You are all so amazing to be doing this. I thought the first 15 days were a challenge, but adding in additional restrictions definitely takes things up a notch!

@Minimal4me- Thank you for your response. My naturopath wanted me to do a SIBO test, but I wasn't interested in it because I had to eat nothing but chicken for an entire day prior to doing the test! I've still got it here at home, so I should probably just bite the bullet and do the test. Are you able to eat all compliant foods on your WHOLE30? or do you follow one of those more restrictive plans? I'm really sorry to hear about how almonds impact you. Sounds like what I've been dealing with. I didn't have almonds all day, and my stomach is feeling much better. Boy! This is sure getting complicated. How are you doing now?

Wow. Me, too! I just posted a whole long thing about nuts and all these other things playing havoc with my system. I thought almonds would be the one thing to get me through my 30 days, but now I'm finding they're creating some misery everywhere I turn!

I'm wondering if I have a thing happen, where I need to follow a different type of food plan such as FODMAP, AIP, or histamine intolerance, or some other direction you could point me towards! Here's what's happening: I'm now on day 15, and have discovered that onions, tomatoes, Kale, garlic, pork, sometimes chicken, make my joints hurt and make it difficult to make a fist. I believe almonds and cashews create this to some extent as well. I've found that almonds also create a pain in my lower right side, which feels almost like a chronic appendicitis...not full-on level 10 pain, but maybe pain around a 5-6. Eggs cause both joint pain and stomach/intestinal pain, and finally mushrooms and broccoli cause major intestinal pain/bloating/gas/and all that business. I don't seem to have any issues with fruits. I spent last night looking at the various alternative food lists available, and feel rather confused about which direction to take. I'm not really sure I have IBS, this seems closer to a histamine intolerance to me. If anyone could offer up some opinions regarding a direction I might turn. Obviously, I can cut out the culprits I've discovered thus far, but if what's happening sounds more like one issue versus another, I'd really appreciate hearing from you. Thanks so much! I have had a lot of surgery within the past six years for breast cancer, hysterectomy. I've was give crazy amount of antibiotics post-op, and developed a serious stomach infection after my hysterectomy, so I had to take even MORE antibiotics. After that, I started gaining weight at a very rapid, head-spinning rate. I don't take any medications, cannot take hormone replacement or anything like that due to my type of breast cancer. I wish I could report that I'm feeling great at this point in my whole30, but I'm not feeling much different than when I started. I'm super happy to be here, and am appreciative of what I'm learning about the foods I eat, and how they impact my system. I guess I'm hoping to discover a more specific direction for the next 15 days. Thanks so much!

You aren’t alone! There is an amazing community of people here, ready to support you. The moderators are incredibly helpful and insightful in answering any and every question you might have about your program. Lots of people struggle with the idea of not having wine/cocktail/beer, so try not to get too freaked out about that part of things! It’s really not that hard to do once you get started. You’ll get into the swing of things, and won’t really need it as much as you think you do right now. Im only on day 11, so I’m not an expert by any means. However, I will say that writing in the Personal Log section is key for me. Journaling has kept me on track during moments when things felt especially hard. For me, the first 6 days were the hardest, and that was due to my starting on a whim. CaveMom, inspired me with a picture she took of her kitchen after she’d cleaned out all the non compliant food, and something about that image inspired me to get going right away. If you’re giving yourself plenty of time to prep, you will be amazed at how much that simplifies life for you, especially the first week! Good Luck!

What do you typically eat? I agree with other posts that it's probably bad luck/timing, although I wonder also if ones regular diet is a lot of processed foods, would the body literally go into shock without them? Before you throw in the towel, try to remember if yours was a random case of strep or was it "going around"? If it was "going around" then, you were just one of many in your circle of friends/family who picked it up. Same with the flu. Were you tested for the flu by your doctor? Or just felt so lousy it felt like the flu? Maybe your detox symptoms are just super extreme... I do feel like anytime you have an actual fever, that's seems like an actual bug not detox. I empathize with you, TBJeffries. I have something similar happen when I go to my gym. Each time I go, it's like clockwork...10 days later I get sick, much like the way you describe. Do think about the timing of when you start. There is horrible flu going around, all over the place, so odds that you've caught it are reasonably high. Flu vaccine wasn't very effective this year, so keep that in mind as well. Good luck. Hope you feel well soon.

I'm starting January 1st too! Cant wait to start the New Year with all of you!