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    Prairie Dawn got a reaction from Jihanna in Prairie Dawn's September Whole30 Log   
    Well, I've decided to pause my Whole30, just because I'm not really in the right headspace to give it the attention I want to.  And when I say that, I mean the GOOD kind of attention, not the obsessive-controlling-worrying-I'm-doing-something-wrong kind of attention, which is where I could feel this going.
    Even though I've been able to stay technically compliant this week (Day 11!), I feel like focusing so much on what I eat, when I eat it, the amounts I'm eating, and how my eating is affecting me is pulling attention away from my other thoughts and feelings right now, which really need some space.  I'm going to focus on taking care of my heart and processing what's been going on.  Maybe once I get past the heartbreak and rage and into the growth part of this I'll revisit the Whole30 with more mental availability.
    In the meantime, let me just say: I've lost a few pounds (probably a combination of Whole30 and stress), and after OrangeTheory last night I actually slept for 5 hours straight - a real NSV for me.  I will take it!  And if I end up doing a technically compliant Whole30 by default (I don't think I realized just how thoroughly I'd prepped for an entire month), I'll report back here.
     
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    Prairie Dawn got a reaction from Jihanna in Prairie Dawn's September Whole30 Log   
    Well, I've decided to pause my Whole30, just because I'm not really in the right headspace to give it the attention I want to.  And when I say that, I mean the GOOD kind of attention, not the obsessive-controlling-worrying-I'm-doing-something-wrong kind of attention, which is where I could feel this going.
    Even though I've been able to stay technically compliant this week (Day 11!), I feel like focusing so much on what I eat, when I eat it, the amounts I'm eating, and how my eating is affecting me is pulling attention away from my other thoughts and feelings right now, which really need some space.  I'm going to focus on taking care of my heart and processing what's been going on.  Maybe once I get past the heartbreak and rage and into the growth part of this I'll revisit the Whole30 with more mental availability.
    In the meantime, let me just say: I've lost a few pounds (probably a combination of Whole30 and stress), and after OrangeTheory last night I actually slept for 5 hours straight - a real NSV for me.  I will take it!  And if I end up doing a technically compliant Whole30 by default (I don't think I realized just how thoroughly I'd prepped for an entire month), I'll report back here.
     
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    Prairie Dawn reacted to Amura in My W30 log - Starting on August 15th   
    Thanks!
    Yeah, I think it's been worth it indeed.
    I mean, you hear about how important veggies are all the time, but I used to think I was eating enough of them.
    Whole30 has been eye opening in that sense, I really could be eating way more veggies than I used to, only if I made room for them in my meals.
    I still don't know how other foods affect me (if at all) so it's impossible to reach any other kind of conclussions, but at this point I feel like just having reaching a better understanding of how important veggies are and proving myself that I can easily live with no sugar are worth-mentioning milestones. I guess you can say those are my overall NSV.
    And today I weighted myself first thing in the morning. I have lost almost 4 kg (that's about 8 lb) in 30 days, and I think that's impressive!
    It's a lot of weight for someone who has been eating such large meals, and making just a tiny bit of exercise.
    I'm looking forward losing some more during reintroduction (probably not that much, I'm sure testing foods will mess it all up a bit) and hopefully find a point where I can steadily lose smallish amounts of weight until I reach my desired weight (dropping about 15kg - that's about 30lb). 
    I had not expected to lose so much to begin with and definetely I'm not in a hurry to lose it all, but I must admit that sheding some weight off makes me more positive about the fact that it's feasible (which at certain points in my life seemed unlikely).
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    Prairie Dawn got a reaction from JessFind in JessFind's Whole 30 Log - Sept. 2nd-30th   
    Awesome news about Copenhagen!  Sounds like it's going to be a lot of fun.  I agree with you a hundred percent: in just a few days (less than two weeks!) I already notice some pretty great differences.  I also like that you're still trying to reintroduce things so you don't have any surprises while you're on vacation!
    Have an amazing time!
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    Prairie Dawn got a reaction from Emma in Prairie Dawn's September Whole30 Log   
    UPDATE, DAYS 6-7:
    Guys, the past few days haven't been good to me.  Instead of a fun compliant burger dinner at In n Out with my boyfriend of 2 years, I ended up having to break up with him.  Long story short, about 6 months ago I found out he'd been cheating on me.  We'd just been through an unplanned pregnancy and subsequent loss of that pregnancy, so to find that out kicked the sh*t out of me.  It was horrible.  Obviously I was devastated by everything.  I chose not to break up with him then, because I couldn't face healing from that loss alone.  He begged me for another chance, promised to do better, etc. etc. etc.  So I did.  Things were getting better and it felt like we'd turned a corner.  Then on Friday night, I found out he hadn't really stopped cheating, and had been lying to me basically all summer.  I can't give him a third chance and ended things; not because I wanted to, but because I knew I had to if I had any shred of dignity or self-respect left at all.
    I know this is a Whole30 forum to log meals and reactions to foods, and I don't want to get into too much personal life stuff, but I'm putting this out there because I'm not sure if I can continue the Whole30 at this point.  Weirdly, I've stayed compliant all weekend, but it hasn't been in a healthy way - my nerves are shot and I'm horrifically sad and so my appetite has been nonexistent.  I've basically been surviving on bone broth (think I went through like 2 quarts over 2 days), fruit, tea, and boiled potatoes.  I had the wherewithal to whisk an egg into the broth a few times for some protein, egg-drop-soup style, but everything has been turning my stomach.  I've been sleeping and crying a lot.
    I'm not craving anything, really, and obviously I'm exhausted and depleted (I took the day off work today).  I want to continue, because I know that it certainly doesn't help how I feel to put less-than-ideal stuff back into my body, but I'm struggling right now.
    Does anyone have any suggestions?  Should I try and keep going?  I kind of feel like I may as well, but I guess what I'm looking for is assurance that I won't be a failure if I decide to stop and start again when I feel more emotionally stable.  This sucks.
    Thanks for reading. 
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    Prairie Dawn got a reaction from Emma in Kirbz's Whole30 Log   
    I've just skimmed through your logs past and present and WOW, first of all I love how detailed and honest you are, and second of all I feel like I'm reading a version of my own story with Whole30.  Soldiered through my first round successfully, kinda half-assed it on my second, with some stops and starts in between.  This stuff is HARD.
    I'm rooting for you!  Here's to "not perfect, but sustainable!"
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    Prairie Dawn reacted to kirbz in Prairie Dawn's September Whole30 Log   
    @Prairie Dawn I'm glad you've made a decision and are giving yourself the space and grace to process what your facing without the additional burden of Whole30. I'm a firm believer that this is not a journey that is right for every time and that it's perfectly okay to acknowledge that and move on. I've also made the decision to not finish a Whole30 because it was causing more harm than good. And that's okay. I came back to it later and was better off for it. 
    I do wish you the very, very best! 
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    Prairie Dawn got a reaction from Jihanna in Prairie Dawn's September Whole30 Log   
    Well, I've decided to pause my Whole30, just because I'm not really in the right headspace to give it the attention I want to.  And when I say that, I mean the GOOD kind of attention, not the obsessive-controlling-worrying-I'm-doing-something-wrong kind of attention, which is where I could feel this going.
    Even though I've been able to stay technically compliant this week (Day 11!), I feel like focusing so much on what I eat, when I eat it, the amounts I'm eating, and how my eating is affecting me is pulling attention away from my other thoughts and feelings right now, which really need some space.  I'm going to focus on taking care of my heart and processing what's been going on.  Maybe once I get past the heartbreak and rage and into the growth part of this I'll revisit the Whole30 with more mental availability.
    In the meantime, let me just say: I've lost a few pounds (probably a combination of Whole30 and stress), and after OrangeTheory last night I actually slept for 5 hours straight - a real NSV for me.  I will take it!  And if I end up doing a technically compliant Whole30 by default (I don't think I realized just how thoroughly I'd prepped for an entire month), I'll report back here.
     
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    Prairie Dawn reacted to kirbz in Kirbz's Whole30 Log   
    ROUND 3, Day 7: Sunday, September 8
    I had a bad day. I stayed compliant but it wasn’t pretty. And that’s really all I have to say about today. 
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    Prairie Dawn reacted to kirbz in Planning to start September 1. Are you?   
    I wanted to take a moment to share a huge NSV! I'm an aspiring alpine climber, but not particularly fit, strong, or skilled. I'm also overweight. Just a few pounds ago and I was technically in the obese category based on BMI. 
    I had a big climb planned for Monday, which was Day 8 of my Whole30 journey. This was going to be my longest climb with the most elevation gain (10+ pitches with over 2,000 feet of climbing and topping out at 10,306 feet). I had done a different climb a few weeks prior and it was so, so hard. I almost couldn't finish. Despite all the training and effort I had put into it. It was actually that climb that inspired  me to start Whole30. Because I had been doing everything right except nutrition. Which finally convinced me that I can't be the kind of fit I want to be without that part. Enter Whole30.
    But this one was great!  I felt strong. I never doubted I could finish it. I wasn't completely and utterly exhausted on the hike out. It was a total and complete joy! 
    I don’t know if my hard work is finally paying off, if I’m turning the corner toward Tiger Blood, or if I just fueled right, but I’m so, so happy to finally see changes happening in the mountains.  
    Here's a photo of me at the top of Tenaya Peak in Yosemite National Park! 
     

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    Prairie Dawn reacted to Amura in Prairie Dawn's September Whole30 Log   
    Sending you lots of vitual hugs.
    I think you have already received great advice, I just wanted to say that here you have a little community and you can count on our support.
    If the Whole30 feels like a bit too much at this point in your life then maybe take a break. Re-arranging your plan is not a failure, not at all. 
    But if you feel that focusing on food and health helps you to keep going with your life and your routines, it might be worth trying.
    Either way it's ok.
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    Prairie Dawn got a reaction from NoreenM62 in Planning to start September 1. Are you?   
    Hi everyone.  Technically it's Day 8 for me, but I had some pretty crushing personal stuff happen over the weekend, and I'm not sure I'm in a place to continue the whole30.  Strangely enough, I stayed technically compliant in the midst of crisis, but it wasn't in a healthy way.  I'm trying to decide if it's better for me to stick it out and continue what I've started, or if that will put more pressure on me emotionally than I can handle right now.  I know I'm an adult and can make my own decisions, but I'm genuinely not sure what route would be better for me right now.
    At this point I am feeling like I may as well continue, only because everything in my house is Whole30 compliant already and I REALLY don't feel like getting out and going grocery shopping.  And it's not like I'm craving anything off-plan either: more like my stress levels have skyrocketed and I've lost my appetite completely.  Any thoughts or suggestions would be welcome... I really appreciate everyone's support and participation on the forums!
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    Prairie Dawn got a reaction from JessFind in Prairie Dawn's September Whole30 Log   
    Thank you all for your kind words and support.  It really does mean a lot.  Right now I figure I may as well keep going, at least for the next few days, since basically all I have in my fridge is whole30 food anyway and I don't have much of an appetite.  Gonna try and at least do the 3 meals a day, as close to template as I can... I might try the trick of plating a meal, and then eating as much as I can, and then picking it up later if I don't finish it.  
    Honestly, I'm kind of surprised that I've stayed "technically compliant" in the face of all this.  I'll take it day by day and will remind myself that I have full permission to stop and focus on mental health (thanks @JessFind) if I decide it's not something I can fully commit to.
    In the meantime, there's plenty of sad movies and long walks with girlfriends to keep me going...  
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    Prairie Dawn got a reaction from JessFind in Prairie Dawn's September Whole30 Log   
    Thank you all for your kind words and support.  It really does mean a lot.  Right now I figure I may as well keep going, at least for the next few days, since basically all I have in my fridge is whole30 food anyway and I don't have much of an appetite.  Gonna try and at least do the 3 meals a day, as close to template as I can... I might try the trick of plating a meal, and then eating as much as I can, and then picking it up later if I don't finish it.  
    Honestly, I'm kind of surprised that I've stayed "technically compliant" in the face of all this.  I'll take it day by day and will remind myself that I have full permission to stop and focus on mental health (thanks @JessFind) if I decide it's not something I can fully commit to.
    In the meantime, there's plenty of sad movies and long walks with girlfriends to keep me going...  
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    Prairie Dawn reacted to JessFind in Prairie Dawn's September Whole30 Log   
    Aw honey I’m so sorry. But I’m so proud of you for advocating for yourself. You only need to worry about your mental health right now. So if having the Whole 30 helps like you feel some control over your life when things feel out of control, then go with it. If you feel like you need to have a glass (or bottle) of wine and cry it out with your girlfriends, then do that too. The Whole 30 will always be here, and you can always try again. 
    We love you!! 
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    Prairie Dawn reacted to Maggieb123 in Planning to start September 1. Are you?   
    Day 9 for me.... I am starting to feel great!
    Got out in the back yard yesterday and wrestled with some nasty weeds with my husband which I would normally not have the energy for (I work 9p-5a over the weekends), so my NSV is getting my yard work done!
    I see lots of people are frustrated trying to do "the perfect Whole30" and follow the meal template and all the rules and that can really drive a person crazy! I remember this from my first few rounds-- It is a lot with all the rules and it is SO DIFFERENT from the way anyone else we know eats. You have to step back and let good enough be good enough (I've read a ton of the books and Melissa talks about it constantly, and she is the authority on the subject). As long as it is on the Whole30 ingredient list, it's OKAY. You may have compliant hot dogs and a sweet potato for dinner. Is it the perfect meal template? no. Is it Instagram worthy? no. Is it Whole30? YES. Did you eat real food? YES. Are you going to push through and continue the program? YES PLEASE DO!
    Take it from someone who has terrible food addiction--and has 50 lbs to lose--and half a thyroid-- and somehow screws up re-introduction every time--and is DYING to jump on the scale today juuust to make sure it is working--Give yourself some grace. Life isn't perfect. Finding what works for you takes time. It did for me at least....heck I'm still figuring it out. Anyone who did one Whole30 and magically became a perfect person in 30 days and no longer had any health issues and didn't at least consider stopping when they drove past a Rita's isn't anyone I want to be friends with. 
    ....Steps off soapbox....
    I did cook two dinners today so I'm off the hook until Wednesday  
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    Prairie Dawn got a reaction from JenRaye in Prairie Dawn's September Whole30 Log   
    DAY 5:
    Okay, so, last night was rough.  My mood took a dive in the late afternoon.  I stayed tired all day and actually took a nap when I got home from work, and I didn't end up going to yoga.  Was kind of down on myself for that as I was on a pretty good streak of being active.  Then, I felt like I just ate and ate all night!  Looking back on it, it was definitely an emotional eating/eat for comfort type of situation.  I had my planned dinner of egg roll in a bowl and then I ate a Larabar as "dessert" (not ideal, I know).  Since I had some time on my hands I made this Mexican Watermelon Salad with smoked pumpkin seeds from my new cookbook (https://nomnompaleo.com/mexican-watermelon-salad), and I ate some of that too.  And then I just. kept. eating.  I probably had at least another full meal from stuff I kept picking on throughout the night.  
    Everything I ate was compliant, but it was too much and it didn't feel good, physically or mentally.  Honestly, what I REALLY wanted was a glass of wine.
    I did sleep a little bit better than the previous night, and I feel overall okay this morning.  Not great, but not as tired and down as I was yesterday.  Here's today's plan:
    M1 (7:30am):   Sausage, apple, sweet potato hash with 2 eggs.  Coffee with coconut milk and cinnamon.
    M2 (12:30pm):  Watermelon salad with shrimp and avocado
    Snack (not sure I'll need it, but it's there): Zucchini soup
    M3:   My boyfriend and I are going to In n Out!  I'm excited about this as apparently there is a Whole30-compliant way to order burgers there (double meat, protein style, mustard only, extra tomatoes, pickles and onions).  They only use salt and pepper to season their meat and their pickles don't have sugar.  Yay!
    Activity:  My coworker and I usually take a walk after lunch on Fridays.  Considering how tired I was yesterday and that I have a hike with a friend scheduled for tomorrow, I think I'll take it easy today and not do anything beyond that.
    Hoping yesterday was the low point for me and things get better from here.
     
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    Prairie Dawn got a reaction from JenRaye in Prairie Dawn's September Whole30 Log   
    @Amura I'm also just starting to get back into yoga after taking a break for several months, so things that were once easy for me are now a LOT harder.  I've lost a lot of strength and flexibility that i want back!
    To give you an idea of what a vinyasa is, it's basically this sequence of movements:

    Imagine doing that a bajillion (ok, exaggerated a bit) times during a class, over and over again.  It's seamless if you're used to it, and godawfully taxing if you're not
     
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    Prairie Dawn got a reaction from JenRaye in Prairie Dawn's September Whole30 Log   
    DAY 4:
    Exhausted.  Couldn't get my butt out of bed this morning and tossed and turned all night after going to sleep way too late.  I think there's a window when working out in the evening when I have to get in bed - it's like if I wait too long, I get a second wind and then I'm up for hours.  I also didn't eat dinner until almost 9, and I had an iced tea with caffeine at like 2pm.  Ugh.  That probably had something to do with it.  However, I did plan ahead and cooked 2 portions of dinner last night, so my lunch for today was prepped and ready to go.
    M1: 3 eggs with chives scrambled in ghee, salsa, 1 "teeny tiny" avocado from Trader Joe's.  Iced coffee with coconut milk.
    M2: Leftovers: Pan-fried mahi-mahi, new potatoes, steamed broccoli.
    Snack: I brought a Larabar and a mini Chomps stick to work with me today in case I get hungry.  I'm hoping I won't need them, but I wanted to be prepared.  I was pretty hungry yesterday, which kind of surprised me - feels like I'm eating SO much food.  I've decided that this round, if I'm going to eat a Larabar, I have to eat it with some protein like a meat stick or a hardboiled egg so I manage that sugar spike/craving a bit.
    Pre-Workout (vinyasa yoga):  Hardboiled egg and some pesto, a few cherry tomatoes.  I'm digging this combo for pre-workout so far.  I'm also really proud of myself that I've done something active every day this week.  That's a habit I'm trying to build; I know I feel better physically and emotionally when I move my body, and unfortunately I've never really been as consistent as I'd like to be with it.  Hoping that changes this month.
    M3: Egg roll in a bowl with pork and ginger scallion sauce.  Grapes.
     
    I'm a little light on veggies today.  I'm hoping this tiredness shakes off and resolves itself soon.  Tonight after yoga I think I'll take a hot bath and some Natural Calm again, and maybe that will help with the sleeping issue.  I'm also noticing that my digestion isn't as..."efficient"...as it usually is.  Hmmm.  Fingers crossed that the magnesium helps with that too.
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    Prairie Dawn got a reaction from JenRaye in Prairie Dawn's September Whole30 Log   
    When I got home from the longest day and the hardest workout EVER (OrangeTheory is no frickin joke, you guys), I had a package on my front porch.  Turns out my best friend, who I've been running my mouth to about the Whole30 and who is a busy career mom of 2 with her own health struggles and goals, took the time to order and send me Nom Nom Paleo's "Ready or Not" cookbook as a "yay you started the Whole30" gift!  Just out of the blue!
    I was so touched!  It's so awesome to have friends that "get it" and support you, even when they're hundreds of miles away with crazy lives and stressors of their own.
    Also: it's a truly awesome cookbook
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    Prairie Dawn got a reaction from JenRaye in Prairie Dawn's September Whole30 Log   
    DAY 3:
    Went to yoga last night, and ended up having 2 hardboiled eggs, some pesto, and some cherry tomatoes as my pre-workout meal.  It was a bit too much and I felt kind of uncomfortable during class.  Should have stuck with my plan of only 1 egg, but I think I'm used to the idea of being FULL full after eating, even if it's just a little snack... I want to work on this.
    I slept marginally better last night - I took some Natural Calm and was pretty tired when I got into bed, and woke up before my alarm.  Had a big glass of water before breakfast, and didn't drink my coffee until I was settled in at work.  Wednesdays are looonnng days for me, so I'm planning on having more food on hand.
    M1 (7:30am): Sweet potato, apple, sausage hash with 2 poached eggs.  Black coffee at work. 
    M2 (12:30pm):  Same salad as yesterday, zucchini soup.  Yesterday this combo really filled me up, and I ended up putting some of the salad aside and finishing it later in the day when I felt snacky. 
    Pre-Workout/Snack/Mini-Meal:  Brought a hardboiled egg, pesto, a mini Chomps stick, and some blueberries.  I have a late Orange Theory class tonight and know I'll need the energy.  I'm a bit nervous about it as it's only my second class, and the first one kicked my ass HARD.  
    M3 (8:30-9pm): Mahi mahi, steamed broccoli, new potatoes with ghee.
     
    Don't love the idea of eating dinner so late, but not a lot I can do about that.  
    I'm pleasantly surprised that I don't feel like I'm dragging today.  Hope it lasts!
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    Prairie Dawn got a reaction from JenRaye in Prairie Dawn's September Whole30 Log   
    Feeling pretty motivated right now, and did a ton of meal prepping yesterday.  Today the plan is:
    M1: Sweet potato, apple, sausage and arugula hash with a poached egg on top.  Black coffee.
    M2: "Taco" seasoned pork, shredded cabbage slaw with cilantro and pickled jalepenos (compliant), diced tomatoes, and fried plantains
    M3: Ground beef over sautéed peppers and onions with compliant barbecue sauce.
     
    I need to try and drink more water - in the past, I would suck down a few cups of coffee first thing when I woke up.  Today I had a big glass of water while my hash was heating and my egg was poaching, and it was great.  Based on my body weight I need to aim for about 100oz of water a day to fit the Whole30 recommendations... yikes, that's more than a gallon D:
    Another thing I want to attempt is eating at least 1 starchy vegetable a day (I'm a big fan of potatoes and plantains).  I tend towards depression and am coming out of a pretty awful 6 month hole, so I want to monitor my moods and make sure I'm taking care of myself.  Based on what I've read, mood stuff can sometimes be affected by carb intake (which I totally believe).
    I sleep terribly, always have, so I also know I need to maybe cool it on the coffee a bit.  We'll see if I can wean myself down from several cups a day... I hope so!
    Other things I prepped yesterday:
    - Made some dairy-free pesto with basil and pine nuts
    - Made some zucchini soup and portioned it into pint jars for the week (http://meljoulwan.com/2012/11/05/silky-gingered-zucchini-soup/)
    - Made 3 portions of today's M1 hash (https://thebetteredblondie.com/sweet-potato-apple-breakfast-skillet-paleo-whole-30/)
    - Made some Ginger Scallion sauce (https://www.doyouevenpaleo.net/ginger-scallion-sauce/)
    - Hardboiled half a dozen eggs
     
    I have an evening yoga class scheduled, but it's not a terribly strenuous one.  I may eat a hardboiled egg as pre-workout if I feel like I need it.  Another thing I'm trying out this month is Orange Theory - I've only been to one class so far and yeeeeeesh it was a tough one, but I loved it.  I bought 8 classes for the month so I'm just self-improving all over the damn place
     
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    Prairie Dawn reacted to JessFind in JessFind's Whole 30 Log - Sept. 2nd-30th   
    Day 6 - Sept. 7:
    I did it, you guys! I DID IT. I survived the baker’s market without eating any sweets. But oh man, it was touch and go there for a bit. I’m in Charlotte, NC, and it was 95 degrees today. Our table was outside on asphalt for 6 hours, it was SO HOT, and all I wanted was a damn cookie. It might not have been smart to do this during the “kill all the things” phase. My poor husband. But I prevailed! Thankfully I planned ahead and did a good job having things that were filling and easy. 
    So here’s what I ate: 
    Breakfast: scrambled eggs with some bacon crumbles and a dash of truffle oil 
    Lunch: turkey burger on lettuce with tomato and compliant mayo 
    Dinner: seasoned chicken with roasted broccoli and mashed potatoes. This was our first time using ghee and it was delish! We needed something hearty after sweating outside for so long. 
    My energy level is better today than yesterday, which was much needed. And overall I’m feeling good! I’m much less testy now that I’m in AC away from good-smelling sweets.  
    What are you guys prepping for the week tomorrow?
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    Prairie Dawn got a reaction from Emma in Whole 30 (July 2)   
    Wow, congratulations!  Twelve pounds is AWESOME and all those other victories are awesome as well (more awesome, I'd say - totally feel you on the tyranny of the scale).  You sound super chill and like you've hit a place where you know stress is going to be a part of life but it doesn't derail you from your goals.  It's pretty inspiring to read
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    Prairie Dawn reacted to Amura in Prairie Dawn's September Whole30 Log   
    Does not seem easy. At all. 
    And much more dynamic than the general idea of yoga for me!
    It's very interesting, I think it's the kind of thing I would not mind trying...