Marceeruns reacted to LadyM in Are the risks worth it?
I've done 3+ Whole 30s, most of which extended far beyond 30 days each, and can easily eat anything that I ate before without terrible immediate consequence. But I generally choose not to because I feel so much better eating Whole 30-style. I have been doing so for nearly two years.
I have a very hard time believing that continuously feeding yourself the most nourishing possible foods for stretches of time is a bad thing.
Marceeruns reacted to ultrarunnergirl in Are the risks worth it?
I guess the thing I'm trying to get across is, there are no guarantees with anything in life.
If you continue to eat the things you know can damage your health, there is no guarantee that you will be able to do that forever. You could eventually (whether that be soon, or much later in life) develop a real life-changing disease as a result - one that would also prevent you from eating the foods that you are reluctant to give up.
Or you might not. It's all dependent on your genetics and your context.
Everyone has their own personal threshold for what they are willing to do for health and what they're going to chalk up to "not worth living without." For some, it's the occasional indulgence in the bread basket at their favorite fancy restaurant. For others, it's daily beer, pizza, ice cream or cigarettes.
For me, the sound sleep, boundless energy and happy as a pig in ....! makes eating this way most of the time totally worth it.
Maybe you have already found your balance after a couple of Whole30s - you want to eat this way most of the time but still indulge in some old favorites.
Marceeruns reacted to praxisproject in Are the risks worth it?
Just because you felt okay before, doesn't mean that food hasn't been doing you some serious damage.
I ate wheat and gluten all my life, had a bunch of weird health issues doctors were unable to identify/resolve, but I never considered myself to be a "sick" person.
After my first Whole30 I was astonished to find out that gluten makes me sick, really sick!
I could have kept eating it my whole life, but it also might have killed me. One of the unresolved symptoms I had was an irregular heart beat which can induce a heart attack (gluten induced ataxia). Cardiologists said my heart was fine, which it was, but it might not have been if I continued to eat gluten my whole life. As we get older, our bodies don't always bounce back from abuse the way they did when we were younger.
Marceeruns reacted to GFChris in Are the risks worth it?
This is what riding your own bike is all about. No one can tell you how your body will respond when you remove foods or when you add them back in. It's an experiment of n=1, as frequently stated in the forum.
Sure, let your friends know that they may have no discernible reactions or they may have significant physical or psychological reactions if they choose to reintroduce certain foods post-Whole30. From that point, it's their call whether they embark on a Whole30 and decide how they want to ride their bike going forward.
Many people go into a Whole30 thinking they will never be able to stop eating a certain food long term, and are shocked to discover, as a result of doing a Whole30, that that's exactly what they want to do.
Marceeruns reacted to ladyshanny in Are the risks worth it?
Wow, Carla, that is a very moving story, kudos to you for sharing that! It is absolutely amazing the effect that food can have on our bodies and makes me cringe even more when I hear people whose doctors say "sure, you can change your diet but it won't help...but here, take these pills".
For me, the things that have vastly improved my quality of life by my awareness...and by awareness I also mean I still indulge from time to time but well aware of the risks:
Dairy (for me ice cream, butter and cheese): full body eczema...and I do mean full body...if you catch my meaning. I wake up in the morning with blood caked under my fingernails from night scratching and of course getting in the shower is sheer agony after a night of tearing up my skin....not to mention how not well rested I am. One instance of dairy including that which is in butter will react by the next day and last for close to 14 days.
Soy: dear God, the stomach issues.
Sugar: I'm an addict to it and it manifests in all the typical addictive ways: anger, guilt, sneaking, hiding, lying. That is not a healthy experience either physically or psychologically.
Are these life threatening? No. But they reduced my quality of life (think angry, itchy and crapping myself) and without Whole30 I never would have found out. Yes, it absolutely BLOWS not to have ice cream all summer long. It seriously compromises what restaurants we go to (although once we've found favourites that are willing to play nice, we tip handsomely and have become regulars!). It is scary and depressing and annoying and sad. But my sad lasts about 10 minutes on a hot day while the hubby is eating an ice cream. The rest of my life is so much happier and healthier.
Marceeruns reacted to Carlaccini in Are the risks worth it?
This is post is going to be a bit TMI. This is a very personal struggle that I have for a good many years, This is to demonstrate the power that food has over our bodies.
Since the age of 14 (I am 38 now) I suffered having painful boils along my bikini line. Walking or just plain sitting was painful. Later on they escalated getting bigger (ping pong ball size) and then they arrived under my armpits and breasts. Dr's didn't know what caused them. Creams that didn't help (helped with healing a bit) and lancing. But that's all that they would do. I gave up and assumed that they were just a miserable part of my life.
In August of 2012 I did my first whole 30. By day 10 all the boils had cleared and no new ones were forming. By day 30 I had only one come up the entire time. (They were chronically there) My triggers after re-intros - dairy and pork. (Note I can only eat pork that has been extremely over cooked - think shoe leather or extra crispy bacon - which I like) The boils that I get from pork pass quickly 2 -3 days at most. The ones I get from dairy happen within hours of consumption and they last for 2 weeks. So yeah I consumed dairy (and I loved dairy) for years but I also suffered for years too. So dairy in my book - so not worth it.
The whole 30 just made me very aware of what's going on in my body.
Sugar - not my friend even though I keep on coming back to it. Throws my hormones out of whack.
Soy - no physical problems - all mental problems - I get angry, moody and depressed when I am exposed to soy. I was extremely depressed (undiagnosed) prior to whole 30.
Dairy - well we covered this above
Non-gluten grains - severe bathroom issues. That is all I will say about that
Gluten grains - I can "tolerate" these but only if they have a lot of fat. So a croissant/danish gives me no stomach issues but a slice of bread will feel like I swallowed a bowling ball.
Each one of these items I will consume from time to time. I make the choice though. I can make an educated choice with each one of these items if it is worth it" or not. Sure some friends and family think I am just being difficult, but they don't know what I was going through before. Some congratulate me that I am so in tune with my body.
Listen - it took a lot of work to get here. Many people are scared of that work, I am sorry to say. But all I can say is YOU are worth this work. Who cares what the rest of the world think.
Marceeruns reacted to keightlynn in Are the risks worth it?
That reasoning seems a little strange to me. My husband quit smoking 2 years ago and now being around smoke makes his eyes burn and really bothers him, even though when he was a smoker, he seriously enjoyed smoking. It would be like if he said, "I don't want to quit smoking (or I shouldn't have quit smoking) because I used to love to smoke but now cigarettes makes my eyes burn and my lungs hurt." Well....they are SUPPOSED to make your eyes hurt and your lungs burn because they are doing terrible things to your body!! When he was a smoker, his body was just so damaged that it didn't notice the effects anymore. Once the body heals, then it is able to recognize poison again. The Whole30 doens't make your body turn against foods you like, it heals your body, and when your body is healed, it's not going to be happy when you try to harm it.
Marceeruns reacted to Ann in Are the risks worth it?
It is worth it! I'm doing this because I want to feel better. If there are foods out there that I love that contribute to my aches and pains, or sleepless nights, or my anxiety, or feed my cravings for even more unhealthy foods --- I want to know what those foods are, and I might choose to avoid those foods. Or maybe I love those foods soooo much that I will enjoy them anyway, knowing that they are the cause of some problems. If there's a food that I used to be able to eat just fine, that totally throws me for a loop post-30, I would think that's a pretty clear sign that it's doing some pretty gnarly things inside my body.
Marceeruns reacted to leahcarn in Are the risks worth it?
I went through a situation like you describe with milk. It affected me a lot more when I reintroduced it, than before I did whole30. Now, 2 years later, my poor gut has healed to the extent that if I want, I can go to a cafe and get a hot chocolate and I don't react too badly. However, I know if I did that every day, I would be doing internal damage and just feel like crap, so I save it for the BEST hot chocolate, and the richest, most decadent ice cream, and the knowledge of how to keep myself healthy and feeling wonderful is worth it 1000 times over.
Hope that helps.
Marceeruns reacted to kirkor in Are the risks worth it?
The "user friendly" analogy I've heard to explain the muscousal sloughing that LadyShanny mentions is this: imagine someone poking you in the shoulder over and over again. It hurts at first but eventually, if they did it all day every day, you'd "get used to it" and it would fade in to the background. You'd be fine and wouldn't even notice. The Whole30 stops the arm poking for 30 days. So ya, if you start poking the arm again on Day 31 it's going to hurt! It doesn't mean Whole30 caused the hurt, it just meant it made you AWARE of the damage being done.
If your friend wants to keep eating MSG and soy and gluten and sugar and just keep being oblivious to the fact that she may be damaging herself without realizing it, I mean, more power to her, I guess.
Me personally, I'd rather KNOW if I react to certain things than just assume I'm fine.
Let's say I reintro and have a reaction to something I "thought" was a-ok for me? Well, I can choose to fight through that negative reaction and get back to the point of "numb shoulder" (increased mucousal lining ... think about SCABS ON YOUR INTESTINE) or I can realize that, y'know what, even though I like the taste of XYZ, or preparing this dish in such a way is convenient, or this ingredient is x% cheaper, do I REALLY want to put my body through the consequences?
Heck, cocaine probably feels pretty damn amazing, probably even gives people a better feeling that a fresh baked croissant or Ben & Jerry's or whatever ... but to me it's not worth the trade off.
The point of doing a Whole30 is to decide if the trade-off is worth it for each of us on an individual basis.
Marceeruns reacted to ladyshanny in Are the risks worth it?
It is true that people can feel more sensitive to certain foods (including processed ones) after a Whole30. Following the Whole30 allows a person's gut to heal. When consistently eating things that are bothersome, a person's gut creates a thicker mucosal lining in order to try and protect itself. Working through a Whole30 allows that thicker layer to slough off and thin down to what is normal. Then, when the person eats something that their body finds irritating, that thicker mucosal layer isn't there and the irritation is felt much more intensely.
It is possible to "inoculate" yourself to irritating and upsetting foods by eating them consistently because that helps to build that mucosal lining...but that is not a healthy thing to do. It can cause hormone disruption, gut disruption, poor nutrient absorption, leaky gut and a whole host of other problems that may or may not be experienced physically.
Doing a Whole30 allows you to figure out what foods are harmful or damaging to your body. It can be scary or depressing to discover that you can't eat dairy or legumes (or whatever your desired foods are) without causing your body harm and discomfort but the health that you gain instead is so valuable that people often choose to make the discovery and then act accordingly. Sometimes that means never having the item again and sometimes that means having the item and knowing what the outcome will be (stomach pain, headache, skin issues etc).
The old saying; you don't realize how bad you were feeling until you feel good again!
Marceeruns got a reaction from GFChris in Looking for conception success stories
We had tried to conceive for 6 months and I'm almost 41 and figured my hormones were out of balance.. That was one of the things that drew me to the Whole 30.. We just found out we are expecting and really feel it's due to the Whole 30 miracle! This also motivates me greatly to keep eating this way.. I feel great! Best of luck to you
Marceeruns reacted to Robin Strathdee in Don't over think this.
Welcome all newcomers, welcome back vets, and for those of you who never left...welcome to this post.
I just wanted to pop in here and remind you all to take a deep breath before you dive into all the questions about what you can and can't have. The program guidelines are clear on what you can and can't have (grains, dairy, W30 muffins), but things get a little grey when people start talking about what you should and shouldn't have. Please don't over think think this. You don't have to address every food related issue you have, break every bad habit, and shun every food that gives you comfort to succeed with your Whole30. If you need to you can always extend or repeat the process, and things will get better each time you do. My advice to you is this:
Stick to the rules like they are your port in a storm (really, they will become that).
Take the Moderators responses seriously (we know what we're talking about).
Take community members suggestions as advice from those who came before, but keep in mind they are not the rules and not the Mods. Everyone here is well-meaning, and everyone here wants to see you succeed, but everyone here is at a different place in this journey.
And finally, take comfort in these words (from Melissa Hartwig, on another forum post):
Here's the thing (and this is an interesting discussion)... there are Whole30 "rules," which are strict, clearly outlined, and very well defined. No grains - and here are all the things we consider grains. No dairy - and here are all the dairy items excluded. No Paleo-fied food choices, and here's what those look like.
Then, there are Whole30 suggestions for success. They're not part of the official rules, but they're things that we've seen really help (or harm) people as they move through the program. Fruit smoothies for breakfast - not a good idea. Skipping breakfast - not a good idea. Eating every two hours, all day - not a good idea. These things won't necessarily affect your Whole30 results (although they might), but if we can give you additional suggestions that will make your transition and your program easier and more effective, we're going to give them to you.
Keep Calm and Whole30 On.
Marceeruns reacted to Mom2A&M in Whole30 help - why can't I succeed?
I got to the point where I had to be very mechanical about it for the first two weeks I literally planned every meal I would be eating. I cooked up a lot food at the beginning of the week and stuck to my list for that week. It got me thru the tough first days.
Marceeruns reacted to sjosey77 in Whole30 help - why can't I succeed?
I understand about the budgeting.....if you need recipe ideas, Melissa's website is very useful! www.theclothesmakethegirl.com
And there is nomnompaleo, healthbent.com that could be helpful for you. I would agree with taking one day at a time. I am almost finished with my first Whole30 and it has been easier than I thought due to just taking it one day at a time and realizing that cravings last only about 3-5 mins. Not worth the time to offset me in comparison to the entire day.
You can do this, I didn't think I would make it a couple of days! When you want it bad enough, you will do it. You have been able to loose a tremendous amount of weight, so I know you are capable of it! Don't give up on yourself and don't be so hard on yourself. :-)
Marceeruns reacted to MrsStick in Whole30 help - why can't I succeed?
Bravo! Well said! I just wanted to say that yes - once you make up your mind to do 30 days, it's easier. You aren't TRYING to do a Whole 30, you're DOING a Whole 30.
I spent the last few days before my Whole 30 binging on chocolate, cupcakes, etc. Seriously binging - Reese's Cups for lunch with a mid-afternoon snack of gluten-free pretzels dipped in peanut butter, two cupcakes after dinner and more chocolate as a pre-dinner treat. I.Could.Not.Stop.Myself. It was bad. I couldn't say no; I couldn't not want the chocolate.
Fast forward 6 days, and I'm on my 5th day of Whole(something) with no problems. I don't even really have an end point - I'm feeling fantastic and, other than Thanksgiving, will probably extend this for a while afterwards (because of the stopping for Thanksgiving). Hubby might get mad that he can't take me out to pizza for a while, but I'm already feeling great. I might end up doing Whole5-6s followed by exceptions for one meal here or there (like pizza and cider with hubby or when he makes me gluten-free toad-in-a-hole for breakfast on Saturday morning). I just can't quite fall into what I was doing before. It did not work. Every day can't be noncompliant, nor can every meal. And while cheese isn't an issue for me (so maybe I'll sprinkle cheese on my eggs at breakfast! gasp!), I've got to keep myself more strict than I was.
Marceeruns reacted to Emily T in Whole30 help - why can't I succeed?
I'm copying a post I wrote for another whole30er a couple of months ago (http://forum.whole9life.com/topic/12172-i-keep-having-to-restart/):
Don't get discouraged. Anyone can do this.
Three months ago, I gave up smoking after 12 years cold turkey. It took me a few false starts, and I was feeling the way you are now. Why do I keep relapsing? Why do I keep doing something I do not want to do? What is wrong with me?
I was so discouraged and felt like such a failure. But then I read Allen Carr's 'Quit Smoking Now' book over two days. I have not smoked since. There have been a couple moments when I thought, I would love a cigarette right now. But never one moment where I thought, I can't do this. I NEED a cigarette. I don't care that its bad, I need it. Since I read the book, on May 18, I have been smoke free and happy about it. Not irritable, without gaining weight.
The laws of addiction are pretty transferrable from one substance to the next. Sugary food is not cigarette smoking, but it sure as hell ain't healthy. So I am going to try and pass along some of the wisdom from the book in hopes it helps you.
The truth is, you are telling yourself you enjoy eating this stuff, but you really don't. If you enjoyed it, would you be here trying to quit? No! You hate that you eating it. So the first thing to do is to stop thinking about it as an "easy snack." Maybe grabbing crackers is "easy" - but so is grabbing carrots, or cashews. Think about everything you think you like or enjoy about the snack you are getting. Now think deeper. Is it really easy? Is it really cheaper? The long term health effects of grabbing the crackers sure won't be easy or cheap.
Or are you rather just grabbing the crackers because they taste good? Do they really taste good? I think they taste like they were made in a factory and injected with sugar and fat. But chopped up red pepper is sweet and delicious. Cashews are crunchy and delicious. There are hundreds of ideas for snacks that taste BETTER than crackers, granola, cookies, etc.
Maybe you don't think they will taste as good. And thats a legitimate concern. However, its mostly because you are used to tasting crappy food! Once you break the cycle of eating food that is bad for you, food that is good for you begins to taste better and provide more satiety (fullness).
So the thing I am trying to say is, think about the real reason you want to eat ______, and deconstruct that. You need to remind yourself why _____ is actually not good, delicious, healthy, etc.
You also should try and change your attitude about the whole process. Don't focus on what you cannot do. Focus on the fact that in a very short time (30 DAYS! Thats nothing!) you will be FREE of your sugar addiction and FREE to go through life without relying on all the processed crap people put in their bodies. I dont know why you are doing the whole30 but maybe you have some health problems. You are now going to be FREE from those problems! Maybe you want more energy - you will now have it! This is not deprivation - this is an exciting process.
The point is, if you go into it being mopey and expecting cravings to come and being bummed about missing your favorite food, then you will have cravings come and be depressed until you shovel it in your mouth. I should know. I suffered through five days without a smoke, angry and cynical and ended up chain smoking six in a row. Two weeks later it happened again. Once I changed my attitude ("I am SO EXCITED to quit smoking! Thank GOD I am a non smoker! I never have to smell like cigarettes again! I can breathe! WOOHOO!") quitting was SO SO SO EASY. It was mindblowing how easy. My roommate smokes and there are always cigarettes around and it does not even cross my mind anymore.
Thats a lot of text. I hope some of it might be helpful. It really changed my life to read his book. Even though its about smoking you might find it helpful. I think he has one about weight loss that might work too.
Edited to add: Its really hard to explain, but once you truly make a choice in your brain to do the full 30 days, its no longer an option to quit or to "slip", and it becomes extremely easy to not mess up. Its JUST like smoking in that sense. For me, if I'm fighting with myself (should I? just one? just this one time?) then I have already lost the battle and I'll probably give in eventually. Because you can only fight yourself so long. Try your best to change your mental standpoint - no more "should I" - just flat out "I am not going to do this for 30 days."
Marceeruns reacted to ChickenNoodle in Whole30 help - why can't I succeed?
I like what Xandra said. Don't think about 30 days, just think about today. I fact just think about the moment. If you get a craving, it will pass shortly. Make a tea, pour some water, walk the dog, fold some laundry, pick up a book, make a call....just do something that distracts you from that moment and in the blink of an eye it will have passed.
Good luck, you CAN do this, it can be a mind [email protected]# though so be prepared to push back!
Marceeruns reacted to Xandra in Whole30 help - why can't I succeed?
When you say you want to do this, you do want to do it, most of the time. But a few minutes a day you are having a conversation with yourself about breaking the plan. And you are giving in.
Pay attention to those moments. This is where the rubber meets the road of your new eating plan. If you get through those temptations, then you have succeeded for the whole day. If you don't, you are pushing the Reset button again.
Slow down these conversations. Take out a pen and write down what is going through your head at that time. What justification are you using for breaking your plan? How is it different or the same compared to previous times? What do you need to change to get through these moments?
After your Whole30 is finished, then you are ready to plan offroads for yourself. But until then, there is no off road, there is no exception that will keep you on plan. You are either on or off. As Yoda said "Do. Or do not. There is no try."
So if you want to do the 30 days, then just do it. And if you don't, then don't. But at least stop the destructive pattern of starting over with no new game plan at all about how you will get through those critical moments. If you don't change that, then you will keep repeating your history and hitting the Reset button.
Marceeruns reacted to Cate B. in Whole30 help - why can't I succeed?
Oh, lady, I understand. I have completed Whole30s in the past, but my last full one was almost a year ago, January 2013. I've been starting and stopping multiple times over the last two months. I'm on Day 3 right now. I feel like food has just gotten out of control for me. I fool myself into thinking I only have the occasional glass of wine, when in reality I'll be drinking three or four times a week. In my head I say, "it's okay to have a sweet sometimes, Cate," and then I eat some sugary sweetness (my downfall) and forget I just did that and do it again two days later. I love food - cooking and enjoying, and sharing with friends, but I also know I am super sensitive to so many things. Little "treats" are usually not really treats for me, given what the inflammation they wreak on my body.
SO...let's do this chica! I have faith you can knock it out! And I have faith I can too =)
Marceeruns reacted to Applegirl in Whole30 help - why can't I succeed?
W30 can be a difficult challenge. We have to get over our physical and emotional attachment to food, cleanse our bodies and make good choices. For some that takes a week or two and for some that can take an entire W30 or two. I hate to say it, but sometimes, it's resolve and just powering through - no magic pill, no easy way.
You can do it, you just need to make the conscious decision throughout the day to get through that day. It generally gets easier with time, but you have to get to that point. Personally, there are times for me when it is simple and I breeze through, and sometimes it feels impossible, but I keep going. I've never figured out what makes the difference, I've just decided that it doesn't matter, I keep going, as it feels so good to be healthier.
Hang in there. You're worth it.