Marceeruns reacted to LadyM in Are the risks worth it?
I've done 3+ Whole 30s, most of which extended far beyond 30 days each, and can easily eat anything that I ate before without terrible immediate consequence. But I generally choose not to because I feel so much better eating Whole 30-style. I have been doing so for nearly two years.
I have a very hard time believing that continuously feeding yourself the most nourishing possible foods for stretches of time is a bad thing.
Marceeruns reacted to ultrarunnergirl in Are the risks worth it?
I guess the thing I'm trying to get across is, there are no guarantees with anything in life.
If you continue to eat the things you know can damage your health, there is no guarantee that you will be able to do that forever. You could eventually (whether that be soon, or much later in life) develop a real life-changing disease as a result - one that would also prevent you from eating the foods that you are reluctant to give up.
Or you might not. It's all dependent on your genetics and your context.
Everyone has their own personal threshold for what they are willing to do for health and what they're going to chalk up to "not worth living without." For some, it's the occasional indulgence in the bread basket at their favorite fancy restaurant. For others, it's daily beer, pizza, ice cream or cigarettes.
For me, the sound sleep, boundless energy and happy as a pig in ....! makes eating this way most of the time totally worth it.
Maybe you have already found your balance after a couple of Whole30s - you want to eat this way most of the time but still indulge in some old favorites.
Marceeruns reacted to praxisproject in Are the risks worth it?
Just because you felt okay before, doesn't mean that food hasn't been doing you some serious damage.
I ate wheat and gluten all my life, had a bunch of weird health issues doctors were unable to identify/resolve, but I never considered myself to be a "sick" person.
After my first Whole30 I was astonished to find out that gluten makes me sick, really sick!
I could have kept eating it my whole life, but it also might have killed me. One of the unresolved symptoms I had was an irregular heart beat which can induce a heart attack (gluten induced ataxia). Cardiologists said my heart was fine, which it was, but it might not have been if I continued to eat gluten my whole life. As we get older, our bodies don't always bounce back from abuse the way they did when we were younger.
Marceeruns reacted to GFChris in Are the risks worth it?
This is what riding your own bike is all about. No one can tell you how your body will respond when you remove foods or when you add them back in. It's an experiment of n=1, as frequently stated in the forum.
Sure, let your friends know that they may have no discernible reactions or they may have significant physical or psychological reactions if they choose to reintroduce certain foods post-Whole30. From that point, it's their call whether they embark on a Whole30 and decide how they want to ride their bike going forward.
Many people go into a Whole30 thinking they will never be able to stop eating a certain food long term, and are shocked to discover, as a result of doing a Whole30, that that's exactly what they want to do.
Marceeruns reacted to ladyshanny in Are the risks worth it?
Wow, Carla, that is a very moving story, kudos to you for sharing that! It is absolutely amazing the effect that food can have on our bodies and makes me cringe even more when I hear people whose doctors say "sure, you can change your diet but it won't help...but here, take these pills".
For me, the things that have vastly improved my quality of life by my awareness...and by awareness I also mean I still indulge from time to time but well aware of the risks:
Dairy (for me ice cream, butter and cheese): full body eczema...and I do mean full body...if you catch my meaning. I wake up in the morning with blood caked under my fingernails from night scratching and of course getting in the shower is sheer agony after a night of tearing up my skin....not to mention how not well rested I am. One instance of dairy including that which is in butter will react by the next day and last for close to 14 days.
Soy: dear God, the stomach issues.
Sugar: I'm an addict to it and it manifests in all the typical addictive ways: anger, guilt, sneaking, hiding, lying. That is not a healthy experience either physically or psychologically.
Are these life threatening? No. But they reduced my quality of life (think angry, itchy and crapping myself) and without Whole30 I never would have found out. Yes, it absolutely BLOWS not to have ice cream all summer long. It seriously compromises what restaurants we go to (although once we've found favourites that are willing to play nice, we tip handsomely and have become regulars!). It is scary and depressing and annoying and sad. But my sad lasts about 10 minutes on a hot day while the hubby is eating an ice cream. The rest of my life is so much happier and healthier.
Marceeruns reacted to Carlaccini in Are the risks worth it?
This is post is going to be a bit TMI. This is a very personal struggle that I have for a good many years, This is to demonstrate the power that food has over our bodies.
Since the age of 14 (I am 38 now) I suffered having painful boils along my bikini line. Walking or just plain sitting was painful. Later on they escalated getting bigger (ping pong ball size) and then they arrived under my armpits and breasts. Dr's didn't know what caused them. Creams that didn't help (helped with healing a bit) and lancing. But that's all that they would do. I gave up and assumed that they were just a miserable part of my life.
In August of 2012 I did my first whole 30. By day 10 all the boils had cleared and no new ones were forming. By day 30 I had only one come up the entire time. (They were chronically there) My triggers after re-intros - dairy and pork. (Note I can only eat pork that has been extremely over cooked - think shoe leather or extra crispy bacon - which I like) The boils that I get from pork pass quickly 2 -3 days at most. The ones I get from dairy happen within hours of consumption and they last for 2 weeks. So yeah I consumed dairy (and I loved dairy) for years but I also suffered for years too. So dairy in my book - so not worth it.
The whole 30 just made me very aware of what's going on in my body.
Sugar - not my friend even though I keep on coming back to it. Throws my hormones out of whack.
Soy - no physical problems - all mental problems - I get angry, moody and depressed when I am exposed to soy. I was extremely depressed (undiagnosed) prior to whole 30.
Dairy - well we covered this above
Non-gluten grains - severe bathroom issues. That is all I will say about that
Gluten grains - I can "tolerate" these but only if they have a lot of fat. So a croissant/danish gives me no stomach issues but a slice of bread will feel like I swallowed a bowling ball.
Each one of these items I will consume from time to time. I make the choice though. I can make an educated choice with each one of these items if it is worth it" or not. Sure some friends and family think I am just being difficult, but they don't know what I was going through before. Some congratulate me that I am so in tune with my body.
Listen - it took a lot of work to get here. Many people are scared of that work, I am sorry to say. But all I can say is YOU are worth this work. Who cares what the rest of the world think.
Marceeruns reacted to keightlynn in Are the risks worth it?
That reasoning seems a little strange to me. My husband quit smoking 2 years ago and now being around smoke makes his eyes burn and really bothers him, even though when he was a smoker, he seriously enjoyed smoking. It would be like if he said, "I don't want to quit smoking (or I shouldn't have quit smoking) because I used to love to smoke but now cigarettes makes my eyes burn and my lungs hurt." Well....they are SUPPOSED to make your eyes hurt and your lungs burn because they are doing terrible things to your body!! When he was a smoker, his body was just so damaged that it didn't notice the effects anymore. Once the body heals, then it is able to recognize poison again. The Whole30 doens't make your body turn against foods you like, it heals your body, and when your body is healed, it's not going to be happy when you try to harm it.
Marceeruns reacted to Ann in Are the risks worth it?
It is worth it! I'm doing this because I want to feel better. If there are foods out there that I love that contribute to my aches and pains, or sleepless nights, or my anxiety, or feed my cravings for even more unhealthy foods --- I want to know what those foods are, and I might choose to avoid those foods. Or maybe I love those foods soooo much that I will enjoy them anyway, knowing that they are the cause of some problems. If there's a food that I used to be able to eat just fine, that totally throws me for a loop post-30, I would think that's a pretty clear sign that it's doing some pretty gnarly things inside my body.
Marceeruns reacted to leahcarn in Are the risks worth it?
I went through a situation like you describe with milk. It affected me a lot more when I reintroduced it, than before I did whole30. Now, 2 years later, my poor gut has healed to the extent that if I want, I can go to a cafe and get a hot chocolate and I don't react too badly. However, I know if I did that every day, I would be doing internal damage and just feel like crap, so I save it for the BEST hot chocolate, and the richest, most decadent ice cream, and the knowledge of how to keep myself healthy and feeling wonderful is worth it 1000 times over.
Hope that helps.
Marceeruns reacted to kirkor in Are the risks worth it?
The "user friendly" analogy I've heard to explain the muscousal sloughing that LadyShanny mentions is this: imagine someone poking you in the shoulder over and over again. It hurts at first but eventually, if they did it all day every day, you'd "get used to it" and it would fade in to the background. You'd be fine and wouldn't even notice. The Whole30 stops the arm poking for 30 days. So ya, if you start poking the arm again on Day 31 it's going to hurt! It doesn't mean Whole30 caused the hurt, it just meant it made you AWARE of the damage being done.
If your friend wants to keep eating MSG and soy and gluten and sugar and just keep being oblivious to the fact that she may be damaging herself without realizing it, I mean, more power to her, I guess.
Me personally, I'd rather KNOW if I react to certain things than just assume I'm fine.
Let's say I reintro and have a reaction to something I "thought" was a-ok for me? Well, I can choose to fight through that negative reaction and get back to the point of "numb shoulder" (increased mucousal lining ... think about SCABS ON YOUR INTESTINE) or I can realize that, y'know what, even though I like the taste of XYZ, or preparing this dish in such a way is convenient, or this ingredient is x% cheaper, do I REALLY want to put my body through the consequences?
Heck, cocaine probably feels pretty damn amazing, probably even gives people a better feeling that a fresh baked croissant or Ben & Jerry's or whatever ... but to me it's not worth the trade off.
The point of doing a Whole30 is to decide if the trade-off is worth it for each of us on an individual basis.
Marceeruns reacted to ladyshanny in Are the risks worth it?
It is true that people can feel more sensitive to certain foods (including processed ones) after a Whole30. Following the Whole30 allows a person's gut to heal. When consistently eating things that are bothersome, a person's gut creates a thicker mucosal lining in order to try and protect itself. Working through a Whole30 allows that thicker layer to slough off and thin down to what is normal. Then, when the person eats something that their body finds irritating, that thicker mucosal layer isn't there and the irritation is felt much more intensely.
It is possible to "inoculate" yourself to irritating and upsetting foods by eating them consistently because that helps to build that mucosal lining...but that is not a healthy thing to do. It can cause hormone disruption, gut disruption, poor nutrient absorption, leaky gut and a whole host of other problems that may or may not be experienced physically.
Doing a Whole30 allows you to figure out what foods are harmful or damaging to your body. It can be scary or depressing to discover that you can't eat dairy or legumes (or whatever your desired foods are) without causing your body harm and discomfort but the health that you gain instead is so valuable that people often choose to make the discovery and then act accordingly. Sometimes that means never having the item again and sometimes that means having the item and knowing what the outcome will be (stomach pain, headache, skin issues etc).
The old saying; you don't realize how bad you were feeling until you feel good again!
Marceeruns reacted to Robin Strathdee in Don't over think this.
Welcome all newcomers, welcome back vets, and for those of you who never left...welcome to this post.
I just wanted to pop in here and remind you all to take a deep breath before you dive into all the questions about what you can and can't have. The program guidelines are clear on what you can and can't have (grains, dairy, W30 muffins), but things get a little grey when people start talking about what you should and shouldn't have. Please don't over think think this. You don't have to address every food related issue you have, break every bad habit, and shun every food that gives you comfort to succeed with your Whole30. If you need to you can always extend or repeat the process, and things will get better each time you do. My advice to you is this:
Stick to the rules like they are your port in a storm (really, they will become that).
Take the Moderators responses seriously (we know what we're talking about).
Take community members suggestions as advice from those who came before, but keep in mind they are not the rules and not the Mods. Everyone here is well-meaning, and everyone here wants to see you succeed, but everyone here is at a different place in this journey.
And finally, take comfort in these words (from Melissa Hartwig, on another forum post):
Here's the thing (and this is an interesting discussion)... there are Whole30 "rules," which are strict, clearly outlined, and very well defined. No grains - and here are all the things we consider grains. No dairy - and here are all the dairy items excluded. No Paleo-fied food choices, and here's what those look like.
Then, there are Whole30 suggestions for success. They're not part of the official rules, but they're things that we've seen really help (or harm) people as they move through the program. Fruit smoothies for breakfast - not a good idea. Skipping breakfast - not a good idea. Eating every two hours, all day - not a good idea. These things won't necessarily affect your Whole30 results (although they might), but if we can give you additional suggestions that will make your transition and your program easier and more effective, we're going to give them to you.
Keep Calm and Whole30 On.
Marceeruns reacted to GLC1968 in The crazy things people say
I have to post this. It's not really something stupid that was said - rather the opposite. Nothing said and nothing stupid...for once.
I've been paleo since Aug of 2011. I've been to see my parents (they live in FL, I live in Oregon) about 5 or 6 times since my switch because I travel to their area for work twice a year. I've been to see them three times now while on a Whole30 (I even put copies of ISWF in some stockings at the holidays this year!). Every time, it's a food battle with my mom and mostly because she likes to question me and my motives (not because she disagrees that my food is healthy). Every visit, I try to be as non-confrontational as I can and I often buy and prepare my own meals or dishes on the side.
This past visit, I arrived and she immediately pulled out all the stuff she'd bought for me: a big container of baby greens, organic apples and blueberries, compliant chicken apple sausages, a new bottle of olive oil and avocados!! My parents don't eat ANY of these things (except olive oil). I didn't ask her to prep anything either. She just got it all right, without having to ask. All these visits and what do you know...she was paying attention!
For dinner that night we had grass fed lamb chops, roasted veggies (in olive oil) and a greens loaded salad (my dad skipped the greens - he can't eat them for medical reasons...don't ask). No sugar. No bad oils. No grains/legumes/starches. I didn't even have to ask.
AWESOME. Truly. (plus, they loved the dinner and are eating more like that even when I'm not around!)
Marceeruns reacted to Connie H in The crazy things people say
While I realize that the purpose of this forum is to poke fun at "other" people who say stupid things, I must confess my own bent towards stupidity. Before starting my Whole 30 (I am on my second one; I relapsed pretty badly ) I realized how insane and pompous my behavior towards certain "unhealthy" foods was too. For instance, "Oh no, I don't eat avocados. They are too fattening. I'll just have the queso with my chips, thank you very much!" Or how about this one: "No bananas. They are too high in carbohydrates and are bad for you. I'll have a cup of ice cream instead. Oh, make that ice cream and Fritos. Yeah, that's better!" Fortunately one day, I heard myself say these things (out loud ) and then looked in the mirror and said to myself "You're an idiot".
Marceeruns reacted to Renee in The crazy things people say
We can blame the media for twisted body image, but society (friends, family, acquaintances and even us, sometimes) needs to take some of the blame. I feel very discouraged seeing how a unhealthy relationship to food starts at such a young age.
Marceeruns reacted to Roz Griffiths in The crazy things people say
My mother-in-law has numerous allergies & sensitivities, including (but not limited to) dark chocolate, bananas, washing powder, hayfever, damp & strawberries "that have gone over a bit". She's recently been suffering from an all-over itchy fine rash, which she's attributing to excess washing powder deposits in her clothes. I casually remarked that sometimes an underlying & not-immediately-obvious sensitivity to wheat or gluten could make the immune system overworked & unable to fight off other allergens, "fascinating" i said... She smiled at me blankly & said "Yes, i think i'm just going to buy a new washing machine"
Marceeruns reacted to Kirsteen in The crazy things people say
Went into an in-store cafe to treat myself to a black coffee. Was served it and then had the following conversation.
Server : Is that all or can I tempt you with one of our cakes or muffins.
Me: No thanks, that's fine.
Server : Oh, ok here then and puts shortbread type cookie on my saucer.
Me : No thanks, don't waste that. I won't be eating it.
Server : But it's free!
Me : (thinking to avoid an argument) It's ok I'm gluten free.
Server : Oh, no problem I can get you a gluten free one.
Me : (wishing I'd never brought it up) No thanks, honestly don't bother.
Server : Oh you people that stick to your new year's diet.
Me : I'm not actually on a diet.
Server : What! You're not on a diet and you still don't want this even though it's free??
Marceeruns reacted to Suzy in The crazy things people say
A co-worker who has severe central obesity, PCOS, and horrible mood-swings: "Wow, Suz! You look so good! Your pants are baggy you've lost so much weight! And your skin looks incredible. What are you doing to get that way?? I wanna lose weight!"
I went into the Whole30 and how much I love it, but then I said, "I respect that you're a vegetarian. You can actually modify your diet to make it a little more compliant without eating meat. You would have to give up grains and eat a lot of eggs."
Me, a couple days later: "I can't tell you how happy I am doing a Whole30. Have you given any thought to it? We can do it together!"
Her: "I'M NOT DOING YOUR STUPID MEAT DIET! And I think it's really boring to talk about weight all the time!!!"
Who brought up weight? She did. I just left it alone after that. However, I heard that she's been giving her own version of the Whole30 around my workplace and has gotten several people to think of me as kind of a food nut. Whatevs. I lead by quiet example now, as Melissa has suggested.
Another thing that bothers me is the people that are really worried that I'm depriving myself and that I can't sustain this kind of effort for long. Soon, they think, I'll binge on cream horns. I'm not saying I haven't slipped, but I've kept my weight off and inflammation down for the most part. I'm learning new things and getting better every week. I love my lifestyle, and that's what counts.
For the road: Mom: "So there aren't very many foods you can actually eat." Says the woman with only broccoli and spinach in her veggie repertoire.
Marceeruns reacted to GLC1968 in The crazy things people say
Yeah, when I was paleo before I'd heard of the Whole30 (for those that don't know, the paleo diet has been around for more than 10 years - it's only been mainstream since the crossfit world got a hold of it!) I used to get really annoyed when people would make the assumption that just because I was paleo, I was into the caveman thing and that I ate paleo pancakes every morning. The true paleo diet, the way it was meant to be, is almost identical to Whole30. Of course, Melissa and Dallas have a MUCH better way of presenting and explaining it. I never gave anyone a copy of Loren Cordain's Paleo Diet or Ray Audette's Neaderthin, but I did give away two copies of ISWF over the holidays this year.
But, just because you can google a paleo dessert doesn't mean that's indicative of the actual diet. To really understand any particular way of eating, you have to go to the source and unlike Whole30, there is no clear source for paleo. It's a mess, for sure. M&D own 'Whole30' so they can define it and control it. No one owns the word 'paleo' so it's a free-for-all. Honestly, I can't tell you how many times I'd wished there was a clear cut definition of what I thought paleo should be that I could just point to when people asked me. Of course, now there is with Whole30. If anyone asks what the paleo diet is, I just tell them to come here. All other definitions pale in my mind.
So that's a long-winded answer to why I thought my friend's comment was so odd!
Marceeruns reacted to GLC1968 in The crazy things people say
I suppose I can see the turn off to 'paleo' and that lifestyle, but the comment makes little sense since Whole30 is like the strictest form of Paleo. It would be like saying "I'm going to go follow Atkins, but I'm NOT interested in a low carb diet".
Marceeruns reacted to Fenderbender in The crazy things people say
At a New Years party this year...
" Michael,you must try my mothers humas! "
I reply..... " sorry I'd love to but I don't eat beans or legumes of any kind".
...... " there aren't any beans in humas! My mother will be very hurt you didn't try it!"
...... " we'll I would be hurt worse if I did eat it .... My resolution is to be a selfish bastard" !!!!
( I wonder why I never get invited a second time anywhere ..... LMAO)
Marceeruns reacted to Breanna Smith in The crazy things people say
Yesterday, I went to a Christmas lunch party at my boyfriend's work. I wasn't expecting to get to eat anything, but they had bbq, so I just had brisket with no sauce.
My boyfriend's coworkers, who I'm also friends with, said, "Awww, I'm sorry you can't have dessert."
Me: "That's okay, I'd feel like crap if I ate it anyway."
My boyfriend, who is very supportive, said: "Before you get too down on her diet, Cristina (coworker), you should know she had ribs for breakfast." I made them in my crockpot. Delicious. Thanks, PaleOMG!
Cristina replied, "Oh, so you fatten up around Christmas too, just in a different way, right? *chuckle*"
Me: "Haha, Actually, I've lost about 10 pounds in the past two weeks."