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    SugarcubeOD reacted to JerichoJ in Starting 16 OCT 2017 - attempt 1.5!   
    Hi Everyone,
    Today is my second first day of the Whole 30.  I made it 16 days back in September, but caved, partly due to a sugar craving and epic late night binge, partly because we had a vacation for my wife's birthday that would land over the last few days of my Whole 30 and the first few days of the reintroduction.  I didn't plan carefully enough, as Dallas and Melissa suggest.
    This time I have no excuses, other than my kids bringing home a bunch of Halloween candy, which I will be strong and resist!!!
    I have been dabbling in and out of both keto and paleo for most of 2017.  I had a major health crisis early in the year, including severe depression, anxiety, and other fun stuff.  I'm fortunate enough to have a progressive doctor, who suggested keto as a way to help my brain health.  I later discovered paleo, and found that I got a lot of the same brain health benefits that I got from keto, with less dietary restriction.
    But I tend to stray from time to time, in part because my wife is not on board with either keto or paleo.
    This time I am determined to finish the Whole 30.  During the reintroduction phase I am going to do a combination of the plan recommended in Whole 30 and the one recommended in Robb Wolf's "Wired to Eat" involving measuring blood sugar response to certain carbs.
    I want to have as many tools helping me as possible.  I've taken the Hartwig's advice and removed the battery's from my bathroom scale.  I signed up for the Whole 30 meal plan program, and plan to be a regular visitor to these forums.
    Looking forward to meeting you all!
    Jason
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    SugarcubeOD got a reaction from berry straw in Taking in more sugar ON Whole30?   
    So this concern is sort of precicely why we tell people not to track macros.  Quest bars (not food) and stevia/artificial sweetners are NOT the same as potatoes and fruit.  Doesnt matter if they have the same sugar content or fibre content, it's not the same. Food grown in a field, not in a lab (quest bars) is going to have vitamins, minerals, fibre attached to that naturally occurring sugar, which you did note, but really think about that... nature makes perfect food and processed stevia and quest bars are not perfect food.
    Trust the program, trust your body and stop tracking.  Seriously... write down what you eat in a journal or on a piece of paper and then mark down how you feel energy wise... use that to track and sort out how much to eat to feel your best... random numbers in a tracking app mean nothing... trust yourself... don't let an app freak you out!
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    SugarcubeOD got a reaction from JediChi in How many times a day can I or am I supposed to eat?   
    The recommendation is 3 template meals a day spaced 4-5 hours apart, ideally no snacking altho if you need to eat between meals because you are going longer than 4-5 hours, a mini meal based on the template is recommended over fruit, nuts or other 'snacky' items.  Pre and post workout are outlined on the meal template as well.
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    SugarcubeOD got a reaction from dmrob2009 in September 18 start date   
    I think this issue can be put to bed now but I would like to say that the moderators are not 'intruding' on the threads, we've been tasked with this job by Melissa herself.
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    SugarcubeOD got a reaction from Tj V in September 18 start date   
    I'm sorry you felt that the information about Keto was a critic... it was merely intended to encourage research.  I also didn't put the information on reintroduction to be a critic.  Please understand that the moderators (of which there are currently three active for this entire site) are volunteers who do this on our own time.  This thread has been nothing but encouragement from the particpants so our job is to make sure that people have the information they need and the program's recommendations.  If you can give me some idea of what you would have preferred to see from that information on Keto and reintroduction, I would be happy for the feedback.
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    SugarcubeOD got a reaction from Tj V in September 18 start date   
    Don't forget you can do the Slow Roll reintro or the fast track - both are great and depend on the individual doing the reintro to see what fits best.
    If you're looking at Keto because you've heard that you can drop weight fast with it (which is not untrue usually for young healthy males) and you're scared about adding things back, that might be something we should discuss.  Don't forget tho that for both reintro programs, you STAY whole30 the whole time and only add back the one item at a time and then go back to Whole30... that means making all meals match the template, eating that fist sized serving of starchy carbs a day (or more depending on the individual), so even if you wanted to try Keto, it's a ways off for this group until after you've done your reintros and know how each food affects you.
    Please make sure that IF you are going to do Keto at anytime, you do research... find blogs, forums and articles about WOMEN doing keto if you're a woman... about the potential poor side effects (hair loss, loss of period, hormones going crazy etc) because it's not all it's cracked up to be and it can be VERY hard on your body... 
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    SugarcubeOD got a reaction from Tj V in September 18 start date   
    Don't forget you can do the Slow Roll reintro or the fast track - both are great and depend on the individual doing the reintro to see what fits best.
    If you're looking at Keto because you've heard that you can drop weight fast with it (which is not untrue usually for young healthy males) and you're scared about adding things back, that might be something we should discuss.  Don't forget tho that for both reintro programs, you STAY whole30 the whole time and only add back the one item at a time and then go back to Whole30... that means making all meals match the template, eating that fist sized serving of starchy carbs a day (or more depending on the individual), so even if you wanted to try Keto, it's a ways off for this group until after you've done your reintros and know how each food affects you.
    Please make sure that IF you are going to do Keto at anytime, you do research... find blogs, forums and articles about WOMEN doing keto if you're a woman... about the potential poor side effects (hair loss, loss of period, hormones going crazy etc) because it's not all it's cracked up to be and it can be VERY hard on your body... 
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    SugarcubeOD got a reaction from Tj V in September 18 start date   
    I'm sorry you felt that the information about Keto was a critic... it was merely intended to encourage research.  I also didn't put the information on reintroduction to be a critic.  Please understand that the moderators (of which there are currently three active for this entire site) are volunteers who do this on our own time.  This thread has been nothing but encouragement from the particpants so our job is to make sure that people have the information they need and the program's recommendations.  If you can give me some idea of what you would have preferred to see from that information on Keto and reintroduction, I would be happy for the feedback.
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    SugarcubeOD got a reaction from dmrob2009 in September 18 start date   
    Okay , ya I completely understand and if we could participate in every thread so we didn't just show up being big meany pants, then we definitely would but there aren't enough of us and as some of us do this during work time, our priority is making sure the information is out there.
    I'm not sure I understand about the pumpkin pie because that definitely would not be allowed but I can see how someone just popping in to poo-poo on an idea with no other engagement in the thread can seem like a buzz kill or a critique but again, back to the volunteer thing and how few of us there are for how many many threads there are... 
    I've actually enjoyed reading posts in this group because you guys are so complimentary and encouraging to eachother, which is so awesome!  Keep up the good work in the last couple days to the end!
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    SugarcubeOD got a reaction from dmrob2009 in September 18 start date   
    Okay , ya I completely understand and if we could participate in every thread so we didn't just show up being big meany pants, then we definitely would but there aren't enough of us and as some of us do this during work time, our priority is making sure the information is out there.
    I'm not sure I understand about the pumpkin pie because that definitely would not be allowed but I can see how someone just popping in to poo-poo on an idea with no other engagement in the thread can seem like a buzz kill or a critique but again, back to the volunteer thing and how few of us there are for how many many threads there are... 
    I've actually enjoyed reading posts in this group because you guys are so complimentary and encouraging to eachother, which is so awesome!  Keep up the good work in the last couple days to the end!
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    SugarcubeOD got a reaction from SarahSun in Suggestions For Distractions?   
    Okay so first, lets try and reframe 'worth it'.  It doesn't necessarily mean 'does it taste good'.  Is it worth how you're going to feel after?  Is it worth potentially low energy the next day?  A poor sleep tonight?  A mild gut ache?  A headache you can't shake for two days... Those are the types of things you want to consider when considering 'worth it' (as well as if it tastes good because if it doesn't taste good, what is the point!).
    Is eating a half a bag of mangoes worth it? Do those mangoes exist every minute of every day or are they something you can only get for two weeks in the summer?  Do they make you more healthy?  Is there something else you can do when you're bored that doesn't involve hand to mouth snacking?
    And now to answer your question   Journalling, calling a friend, gardening, vacuum, sweep, clean out the junk drawer, read a book, take a bath, go for a walk, color, research your next trip/kitchen gadget/purse, have a living room dance party, give yourself a pedicure, a manicure, write out a new recipe you want to share with a friend, do a load of laundry, organize your closet from light to dark... basically anything... it's often better to do something intentional tho, which is why these short term high reward activities are good... how about for your next craving/boredom eating, you write out a list of all the nice things you could do for yourself and your spirit, home etc... and then the next next time, pick something on the list
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    SugarcubeOD got a reaction from SarahSun in Binge eating and re-starting Whole30   
    Oh gosh, sorry to hear this... how about instead of starting a new Whole30 every week, you take it one day or meal at a time?  I think you've also got some good insight that you're 'rewarding' yourself with these foods so maybe some brainstorming in how you can reward yourself with non food related items?
    It's REALLY hard, believe me, I get it...I often ask myself 'Is this going to make me feel good'.  The answer is often yes AND no... yes, it will temporarily make me feel great emotionally and no, it will make me feel emotionally terrible later and physically right away... if the yes wins over the no, eat the item... but if you're being honest and the no wins over the yes, then find something else to do, go to bed, get distracted, have a tea etc... both answers are actually great teaching moments... if you ate the item and suffered later, then you might think of that next time... if you didn't eat the item, that's one point in the bank of knowing that you have control over food and not the other way around.  I think the biggest thing for a lot of people is taking the mindlessness out of eating; when we really think about it there's a whole thought process that can be run through but when we don't engage that, we're just prisoners to old habits and the cycle we're tryiing to get out of ... 
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    SugarcubeOD got a reaction from berry straw in Taking in more sugar ON Whole30?   
    So this concern is sort of precicely why we tell people not to track macros.  Quest bars (not food) and stevia/artificial sweetners are NOT the same as potatoes and fruit.  Doesnt matter if they have the same sugar content or fibre content, it's not the same. Food grown in a field, not in a lab (quest bars) is going to have vitamins, minerals, fibre attached to that naturally occurring sugar, which you did note, but really think about that... nature makes perfect food and processed stevia and quest bars are not perfect food.
    Trust the program, trust your body and stop tracking.  Seriously... write down what you eat in a journal or on a piece of paper and then mark down how you feel energy wise... use that to track and sort out how much to eat to feel your best... random numbers in a tracking app mean nothing... trust yourself... don't let an app freak you out!
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    SugarcubeOD got a reaction from dmrob2009 in September 18 start date   
     
    That was an amazing video, thank you for sharing!  She has an amazing spirit!
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    SugarcubeOD reacted to Mike5858 in September 18 start date   
    What a great question and motivator.  I'll try to keep my answer short, but it took a long time and many twists and turns to get where I am now.  First off, I am a Prostate Cancer survivor.  I was diagnosed five years ago, and after a lot of consultations and research, I underwent a form of radiation therapy that worked out fantastic for me.  I'm five years out with no side effects, and no indications of the cancer returning.  That got me thinking about my health, and for two years I was doing very well with diet and exercise.  I watched every documentary on Netflix about the power of food to cure people, and although I didn't go full blown vegan or anything, I was pretty good for awhile, and I also worked out and jogged.  Almost three years ago now, I got married for the second time (and last, I got this one right!), and we went on a cruise for our honeymoon.  Somewhere along the way, I started eating things I hadn't eaten in awhile and just kept eating.  I was as happy as I've ever been, but I was out of control with my eating habits.  I quickly gained about 45 pounds.  Everything became a struggle, and I hated the way I looked in pictures.  Then, over the course of the past year and a half, I have lost 4 old friends that are right around my age (I'm 58).  Three to heart attacks, one to a stroke.  I had been working with a financial planner the past few years, and I was on track to retire at 62 (just four years from now).  I started to question if I was going to make it, and if I did, how much was I going to enjoy it?  It was time to act for good.  My brother is married to a wonderful woman and they live in Savannah, Ga (I'm in St. Louis).  She's overcome a lot in her life and is now a fitness trainer and coach, so I reached out to her for advice and ideas.  She told me that all the exercise in the world is a waste of time if you don't eat right.  She also told me that the hardest part of getting in good shape and good health is sticking to a healthy diet.  She said the exercise part was easy compared to keeping a strict diet (she just came in 2nd place in a professional bikini contest at age 46, the lady knows her stuff).  She's the one who turn me on to the books and the Whole30.  She doesn't follow all of the Whole30 anymore, she says she's about 80% compliant and leans more toward Paleo while treating herself to one "cheat day" a week.  She did say that doing the program changed her life and got her on the right track, as well as explained the benefits in a way she was able to understand.  She express mailed the book "It starts with Food" the next day, I read it, and here I am.  Sorry for the long winded answer.  
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    SugarcubeOD reacted to Mike5858 in September 18 start date   
    Interesting you talk about the alcohol element Svmomma.  My wife and I have had more occasions to celebrate than normal the past few weeks, and it's been weird to decline drinks with friends or a glass of wine on the new deck.  I don't miss the gin and tonic after work on a weekday, but the Friday drink and chances to celebrate with friends, I've missed a lot.  The first weekend this is over, we are getting together with friends to have a couple of drinks as part of the reintro.  He got a new job, and they bought a new home, we moved into our new home, we have a lot to celebrate, and it felt like a penalty that we couldn't do it as it happened.  What I think I've learned most on W30, is that I can easily get by forgoing any of the items on the "no-no" list, and will try to continue doing so 80-90% of the time after this is done (some things like soy, beans, and dairy might be closer to 99% of the time), but I want to do the best I can to "save" my non-compliant times to things that truly matter to me.  Dessert when it's really something fabulous and not Oreos, drinks with friends when there's really something to celebrateand not just because it's Wednesday, bread only if it's fresh baked or something special.  That's my goal after this is over, and to add more exercise, LOTS more exercise!
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    SugarcubeOD reacted to slc_melissa in TINNED INGREDIENTS   
    In addition to the info already posted above about fresh vs. canned, I was also taking "beneficial" in a broader sense of where something fits in your life.
    Fresh salmon vs. canned salmon: Fresh is often not beneficial to my wallet and where I choose to spend my money, so I pick and choose when and how I'm going to eat fresh.
    Fresh salmons vs canned salmon, time of year: If it's not actual fresh salmon season, the only available salmon is farmed (probably chemically dyed) where I'm at.  I'd rather do canned wild caught.
    In the case of something like salmon cakes, fresh vs. canned salmon: Fresh is not beneficial to my time spent in the kitchen.  (Cook something to then actually cook another thing?  No thanks, not me right now.)
    Personal preferences: If I buy fresh salmon, I'm going to eat the entire thing and not re-purposes leftovers, because it's so darn amazing and delicious.
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    SugarcubeOD got a reaction from LikeTryingTo GiveACatABath in Extending my Whole30......need some insight   
    My ipad is about to die so I didn't look at every day but in general, I don't think you're eating enough.... eggs when they are your sole source of protein would be as many as you can hold in one hand without dropping... that's 3-4 to start for most people, or if you don't want to eat that many eggs, try adding some leftover protein from the day before.
     1 cup of chili is barely anything and that will likely not have provided even a palm of actual meat if you were to take the meat out, rinse off all the rest of the chili.
    Avocado if you're using that as your fat is a half to a whole... 1/8 is severly lacking.  On a couple days your dinner was a baked potato??  What's that about? Also, just fyi, no commercial chips of any kind are allowed so I hope those baked sweet potato chips are home made?
    IN general, these meals do not match the template and they are not enough food for a grown woman so while this may be working for you currently, it will not be sustainable and it's clearly not working because you're snacking many days... the idea being to eat 3 hearty meals a day with no need to snack, getting 4-5 hours between meals.  ON those days that you have to go longer, a mini meal of protein and fat would be more ideal than fruit and/or nuts on their own.
    It also looks like you're pretty short on veggies on many of these meals (the chili ones in particular... 1 cup of chili and sweet potato does not a meal make... that's not a plate FULL of veggies and there's no fat.
    So in answer to your original question, honor your body, eat enough to get 4-5 hours between meals but I think you can be thankful that you did track after your first 30 days because it got you to this point to ask for help. Tracking IS allowed for a few days for this purpose and thiis type of food log is extremely helpful, so I would say until you get things sorted, keep logging your food, but ditch the MFP   Hope that helps, I'm going to plug in my ipad now so I'll check back in here and see if there are any follow up questions in a few hours.
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    SugarcubeOD reacted to laura_juggles in TINNED INGREDIENTS   
    As long as you look at the ingredients list (which you have to do on Whole30 anyway), there are no "sneaky additives". Because they have to list everything. 
    There's also an affordability factor when looking at something like a canned salmon vs buying it fresh for something like the fish cakes. I will pass over a recipe calling for fresh salmon because I simply can't afford it. But I can buy canned salmon or tuna when it's on sale and hold onto it for when I want those fish cakes. 
    "Canned is acceptable if you can't find fresh" really does come across as "sorry you're poor, but these probably won't be gross with canned" when you're looking for new recipes. 
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    SugarcubeOD got a reaction from Selcazare in depression and whole30.   
    I didn't need a pharmaceutical company to 'convince' me that I needed to be on SSRI's.  I've been W30 for 2 years now... My diet and exercise is great.  When I started having thoughts of how to 'get off this ride' because it was so miserable and dark and lonely (and I don't mean lonely because I'm single... I mean the horrific loneliness that comes with the darkness of depression... a boyfriend isn't going to fix that for me), that's when I sought help and that help included counselling, time off work and... wait for it... pills.  Exactly how much MORE exercise should I have done and how much cleaner than Whole30 should I have managed my diet in order to pull myself up by my boot straps?  I'm seriously asking... 
    I'm extremely offended by the implication that the 'only' thing 'wrong' with me is that something is missing in my life and I'm not trying hard enough.  EXTREMELY OFFENDED.  To the point of tears.  At work. 
     
    I think if you want to talk about mental health and mental illness, you should be darn sure you're being as compassionate as possible, because you have no idea who's reading your thoughts and generalizations can do a LOT of damage.
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    SugarcubeOD reacted to laura_juggles in Finding Frozen Chicken   
    Get yourself a slow cooker and a meat thermometer. My mom used to cook meats to a barely edible death until I introduced her to a meat thermometer. When it reaches the appropriate temperature, it's done. 
    And you can cook practically anything in a slow cooker.
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    SugarcubeOD reacted to ChristyJ in Empty Nest, so many feels "comforted" by food   
    Good point-I've started some healthy food prep this morning and am going to print out tracking sheets to start using tomorrow as recording everything I eat & the exercise I do helps me.  I currently run with friends about once a week (did 5 miles last Sunday), and have run 7 half marathons, many 10k/5ks, but yes, it would be good to find some other races.  I was working out 5+ days per week through mid-summer, and quite honestly, just fell into a mild depression/funk after my daughters headed off to college that I've had a hard time getting out of.  I had a few stay in bed all day days on weekends when my husband was working.  But I do feel it going away and I do recognize that crappy eating and lack of exercise contribute to feeling blah.  So I want to make the change.  
    Thank you.
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    SugarcubeOD got a reaction from Honeycrisp in Day 11: The Potato Dilemma   
    Hi;
    A LOT of people are not able to eat potatoes (either because it disagrees with them or because they are food with no brakes).  Squash, beets, carrots, parsnips (basically root veggies) are fine for carbs and the recommendation is one fist sized serving a day to start.
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    SugarcubeOD reacted to LikeTryingTo GiveACatABath in Seriously like trying to give a Cat a bath   
    Bless my dear daughters heart!  For well over a year she has been trying to get me to try Whole30.  Everytime I reacted by acting interested but not.  The more time went by and the better my daughter's health improved, I listened a little but with great trepidation.  Seriously child! You want me to give up what??  I couldn't even begin to imagine my home without dairy, my husband might die, his words, not mine.  My husbands favorite foods in the whole world, whole milk, cheese, and bread.  I tried dieting in the past without my families support, namely my husband and it was a disaster.  By the way my daughter is 33, married, lives several hundred miles away and so she was not any part of the problem I speak of.  My younger two thought I was starving them if I began eating healthier.  At my age I have tried every diet in the book but as retirement approaches and my youngest was goes off to college, I thought maybe now is a good time.  I have had one of the hardest years of my life, this year.  I felt I had been burned down to the ground emotionally, mentally and physically.  Then one day on Pinterest I saw a quote about a Phoenix rising.  I thought I need to be the Phoenix instead of the Cat fighting getting a bath (hence my forum name).  I could go on but needless to say I wouldn't be on this forum introducing myself unless I had given in, given up (my OMG thoughts), and began this journey.  I began Sunday October 1st.  My daughter is coaching me and doing a wonderful job.  My freaky dairy driven husband is actually doing it with me as a show of support.  The Phoenix is rising.  Soon I will learn to fly on my own.  Thanks for listening.
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    SugarcubeOD reacted to littleg in It didn't work for me   
    It sounds like the past 30 days were tough for you.  Sorry that was the case!  I just am going to throw out a few ideas that you can take or leave
    1. Family food - in our house hubs eats what I make or he makes his own thing.  I don't know how things work in your house but is your daughter old enough that if she doesn't want what you make she can make her own meal?  Hubs often eats what I call "paleo plus" - if I make burgers he may have a bun, if I make sauce he may have noodles, things like that but the "main" meal is the same.  If I make spaghetti sauce I'm not making garlic bread, pasta, etc to go with it - I'm making my sauce and zucchini/sweet potato noodles and that is it.  If hubs wants extras that is up to him.  
    2.  It sounds like you didn't like a lot of the food you made because you were trying to adapt your usual recipes.  I totally get this!  Mom's sauce isn't going to be mom's sauce without the red wine... but there are lots of other sauces out there that may be worth a shot!  W30 is always a time for us to try *new* recipes - you might have found some you really liked.
    3.  "Lots of nuts" is often an indication things were not as well rounded for meals as they could have been.  Snacks should be template based and ideally you don't need them.  Maybe more fat/protein/volume at meals would have helped you "need" fewer nuts?  I'm 5'2" ~130 lbs... meal 1 for me today was 3 jumbo eggs cooked in duck fat (maybe 1/2 tbsp), 1/2 bag frozen spinach (so 8 oz), and 2 big handfuls of some onions and peppers I pan fried in coconut oil a few days ago with a side of mayo (1-2 tbsp).  Point being: a decent amount of food.  Kept me full for about 5 hrs.  
    4.  You said you aren't going to continue.  Which is fine.  You are an adult and can totally make that choice.  But as you go forward - especially with a goal of normalizing blood sugar and liver function... think about why your "go to" chicken chunks have sugar in them... and if maybe you could make your own chicken soup on a rainy day and freeze some for the next time you are sick so you don't need to eat canned food.  In my opinion so much of one's success about the W30 is "buying in" to the idea that "food is medicine".  And if you don't just feel that... well than W30 is tough because, gosh, it is restrictive and so.darn.time.consuming.to.cook.so.much.  BUT if you truly believe that you can heal yourself with food I think there is a mind shift that suddenly makes the effort worthwhile.  At least that is why I make the effort to eat paleo most of the time because I truly believe eating food - from the ground, trees, animals, ocean, etc and not food that has to make its way through a factory first is truly the best thing I can do for myself and my family.
     
    Anyway, however you decide to go forward I hope you have some success with the biomarkers you are hoping to change!