praxisproject Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Does Sibo treatment look at leaky gut at all? or only the stomach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkor Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 After eating a whole pound of Brussels sprouts last night, I was looking at the net carbs in different veggies ... this list is pretty cool, sorted by net carb per 1/2 cup: http://www.ruled.me/best-low-carb-vegetables-ketogenic-diet/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Does Sibo treatment look at leaky gut at all? or only the stomach?The scd diet is for people with damaged stomachs from celiac, crohns, colitis etc. Part of the diet is to heal sibo and leaky gut and all the other problems that come with GI issues. So just by following the diet, for an extended period of time, all those issues should be resolved. Plus, the diet recommends lots of bone broth!I'm sorry that this is such a departure from the ketosis topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutlifr Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Thanks for the link to look up net carbs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praxisproject Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Augie - All learning is good learning I'm a recently (sort of diagnosed) celiac with a long recovery road ahead. Dairy does not help me at all, but I always wish it will lol Bone broth has been great, as has liver, gelatin and kombucha. I find it really interesting how many more starches I can eat on Whole30 and stay in ketosis, which I could never handle while having grains or dairy. I wonder if there's a science paper in there somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctoremily Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 In my experience, a very strict "well-formulated" ketogenic diet, and/or GAPS/SCD, for several months to years is usually the best natural course of action to effectively treat SIBO and heal the gut (various herbs - Goldenseal, Oregano Oil, etc. - and/or supplements - L-Glutamine, probiotics, etc.) are also necessary in most cases, and targeted antibiotics such as Rifaximin are sometimes absolutely necessary in stubborn cases to get things back on track). Check out this paper (pp 40-53) for detailed info on what a "well-formulated" keto diet looks like according to Dr. Jeff Volek (keto diet researcher and book author). And for folks interested in learning more about SIBO and how to treat it (with diet, herbs, and/or targeted anti-biotics), do you know about Dr. Alison Siebecker? She's a SIBO specialist, and very knowledgeable. Here's her website, with some great info and resources: http://www.siboinfo.com/dr-siebeckers-bio.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NannyD Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 A lot of good information here. Thank you. Special thanks for that list Kirkor :-) M1- 2 scramble eggs w/broccoli and onions, BPC M2- Ground turkey breast taco seasoned, w/peppers, garlic, onions - left over cauliflower rice M3 - Pulled pork with veggies in the slow cooker, I left it cooking this morning - I can't wait to get home to that delicious smell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctoremily Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 kirkor - thanks for that net carb lookup link - very helpful resource! it's great how it's sorted in ascending order, and all with the same serving size. :-) My blood sugar shot up (and ketone level plummeted) the other day after having ~1/2 cup grilled onions with my burger. Has anyone else experienced this sort of thing with onions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Augie - All learning is good learning I'm a recently (sort of diagnosed) celiac with a long recovery road ahead. Dairy does not help me at all, but I always wish it will lol Bone broth has been great, as has liver, gelatin and kombucha. I find it really interesting how many more starches I can eat on Whole30 and stay in ketosis, which I could never handle while having grains or dairy. I wonder if there's a science paper in there somewhere. I have celiac too! I was finally diagnosed a little over a year ago after suffering from migraines and severe stomach problems my entire life. I went to so many doctors and specialists and none of them could figure it out (I was told by one doctor that my problems were cause by cinnamon ?!?!). If you haven't read Breaking the Vicious Cycle I really recommend it. There is a great chapter on celiac. The author claims that celiac is actually caused by all grains (not just gluten) and dairy. It is totally true for me. I cut out grains and dairy shortly after my diagnoses and tried to add them back in this summer and I got soooooo sick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Thanks for all that good info Dr Emily! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praxisproject Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Very common with onions Dr Emily, especially if they're white, yellow/brown or caramelised in the pan. Spring onions (shallots?) have more green, less sugar. Purple onions are a little lower than yellow/brown but still tasty. The effect is dimmed if consumed with other veggies. Augie - I found out after my first Whole30, it was quite a shock, but has explained a number of ailments which have baffled doctors for years. I couldn't get the biopsy though as I couldn't eat the "gluten challenge" diet for long enough. Gluten induced ataxia was very scary. I totally agree on the grains front, far more than just wheat is a problem for me. Everything on this list makes me sick: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prolamin So many things I see marked gluten free are not, which is very dangerous to newbies. So many of the ingredients can be confusing too. When I first found out, I ate my gluten free toast with vegemite (an Aussie favourite) and it's loaded with gluten (brewers yeast). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronnyd Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 After eating a whole pound of Brussels sprouts last night, I was looking at the net carbs in different veggies ... this list is pretty cool, sorted by net carb per 1/2 cup: http://www.ruled.me/best-low-carb-vegetables-ketogenic-diet/ Thank you for yet another very useful link, Kirkor! I'm weening out most of my fruit this week. I know I could look this up but what say you about carbs in acorn squash, which I am just adoring this week. The scd diet is for people with damaged stomachs from celiac, crohns, colitis etc. Part of the diet is to heal sibo and leaky gut and all the other problems that come with GI issues. So just by following the diet, for an extended period of time, all those issues should be resolved. Plus, the diet recommends lots of bone broth! I'm sorry that this is such a departure from the ketosis topic. Hi Augie just wanted to mention that it's all so related - I have sibo and am going on ketwhole30 in feb after my first jan whole30. I'm researching both the selected carbo and keto diets (very similar) for sibo. Augie - All learning is good learning I'm a recently (sort of diagnosed) celiac with a long recovery road ahead. Dairy does not help me at all, but I always wish it will lol Bone broth has been great, as has liver, gelatin and kombucha. I find it really interesting how many more starches I can eat on Whole30 and stay in ketosis, which I could never handle while having grains or dairy. I wonder if there's a science paper in there somewhere. Hi Praxis - re your prev quest on leaky gut - yes I was diagnosed with lg years ago. LG and SIBO and IBS and Candida and Celiac and and and and our GUTS are very much related. It could very well be that I had LG because of SIBO years ago and didn't know it. So we're looking at the whole pic - hopefully with major dietary changes and awareness, I'll heal the SIBO and that will take care of any LG/candida issues as well. Check out this Digestive Health Institute page which has a nice breakdown of all the above mentioned gut issues and associated diets including keto/lowcarb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkor Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share Posted January 7, 2015 I know I could look this up but what say you about carbs in acorn squash, which I am just adoring this week. It's great for this month during your Whole30, but if you go ketogenic next month it's probably going to be too high in carbs to be very satisfying (10+/0.5c). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeadowLily Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I pretended there wasn't any set way for me to feel and no such thing as carb flu. I pretended that I could complete any Whole 30 without whining and stay upbeat for my family. I pretended that black coffee was great and compliant good fats were better than anything in any bakery...anywhere in the Universe. I pretended in the very beginning...that Melissa helped me throw compliant items in my grocery cart. If I circled the refined food aisles too many times, I pretended that she led me out the door and back down the road. I pretended all kinds of things and every one of them worked. I even pretended that Kirkor was my brother from a different mother....because he makes me laugh and smile every day. I've pretended nothing. Nothing. I believe all of it to be true. It came true and I could not be happier eating fish, fats and vegetables. They've made me feel like a stellar feller or that person I've always wanted to be...or she became me. Kirkor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronnyd Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I think I'm experiencing carb flu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronnyd Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Hey MeadowLily I love your colorful posts! And such positive support too. Thank you for your thoughtful comments and encouragement and cool images too I crawled out of bed feeling like I could sleep another 8.5 hours. AND I feel so grateful. I'm on the right track here. Here is a yummy cup of coffee in front of me. Grateful to be learning about Whole30, KetwhOle30 and SCD. Still in the learning process of what diet will best serve by shifting body at this time and grateful to be learning. I've decided to go keto this sunday after fruit is gone. No dairy (yet) but more veggies and fat. And GHEE! Such a bright cheerful word. Like WHEE! As in Heeeere we goooo.... gheeeeee! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkor Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 I even pretended that Kirkor was my brother from a different mother.. That would make you my sister from another mister? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkor Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 Information overload here: http://josepharcita.blogspot.com/2011/03/guide-to-ketosis.html (I like the color-coded food list) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NannyD Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 M1- 3 scramble egss Eggs, w onions and garlic, 2 cups Green beens, BPC M2 - Pork loin with a salad: lettuce, red peppers, avocado/lime juice, 1tsp EVOO, marine salt, pepper, 1 pear M3 - Baked Sweet potato w/compliant sugar free bacon, ghee, cinnamon and pepper Thanks to all of you for the support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NannyD Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Day 5 and staying strong. I am starting to see and old (5 months) allergy in my face to start fading yay!!! I need the positive feedback.I am doing GREAT, I am in WONDERFUL Health!I am happy. Have the best weekend. School day for me tomorrow, so most likely will reconnect Sunday or next Monday. Let's stay strong. We got this! M1 - BPC 2 Cups M2 - Salmon, Avocado and steamed veggies M3 - Tuna Cake or Croquette per LeaC recipe + Broccoli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeadowLily Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 That would make you my sister from another mister? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeadowLily Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I think I'm experiencing carb flu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronnyd Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Information overload here: http://josepharcita.blogspot.com/2011/03/guide-to-ketosis.html (I like the color-coded food list) I just found this link on reddit this morning! Took a look, left due to info OD... but now you provided a link, which means take a much closer look asap. Fooocuuuuusss... I just ordered two books from Amazon - It Starts With Food and Why We Get Fat. Also thinking of ordering The New Atkins - buuuut am wondering if the two books I ordered are enough for newbies with a scientific bent, what with all the online info out there as well? Also, is it smart to start keto without dairy? Cuz I want to start Sunday with keto, but can't eat dairy until end of Jan as I am committed to Whole 30 as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeadowLily Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Bronnyd, I'll leave this to Keto Kirkor but leave the dairy out. Stay committed to the W30. Your curly hair rocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkor Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 I would keep doing the standard Whole30 through January, mainly just to see it through and have the victory. Then you can do keto in February and work in your doc's plan for sibo with the yogurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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