Sarmishta Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 I'm on Day 5 and so far, I have not had any of the issues or symptoms mentioned in the calendar log (no headache, diarrhea, irritability, etc.) However, last evening, we had a very late dinner and I developed nausea a little before dinner but was fine after dinner. Today, after my lunch, I have a nausea (seriously, I did not like the chicken in my chicken cobb salad!). Couple of questions:- 1. Can palm-size protein portion come from non-meat items such as spinach/green peas/green beans? The meat is something I am not able to like 3 times a day, 7 days a week! 2. If I have a nauseous feeling and cant eat much, can I take coconut water(for electrolytes) or homeopathic remedies (sugar pills) to alleviate the nausea? Would appreciate some help. --Sarmishta PS: Attaching my food log. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators ladyshanny Posted March 19, 2015 Administrators Share Posted March 19, 2015 I'm on Day 5 and so far, I have not had any of the issues or symptoms mentioned in the calendar log (no headache, diarrhea, irritability, etc.) However, last evening, we had a very late dinner and I developed nausea a little before dinner but was fine after dinner. Today, after my lunch, I have a nausea (seriously, I did not like the chicken in my chicken cobb salad!). Couple of questions:- 1. Can palm-size protein portion come from non-meat items such as spinach/green peas/green beans? The meat is something I am not able to like 3 times a day, 7 days a week! 2. If I have a nauseous feeling and cant eat much, can I take coconut water(for electrolytes) or homeopathic remedies (sugar pills) to alleviate the nausea? Would appreciate some help. --Sarmishta PS: Attaching my food log. I'm sorry you've been feeling a bit nauseated. Many people report nausea at various stages of the Whole30 and although it's not in the timeline it seems reasonably common. Could be up to your gut assimilating to the new food? To answer your questions, no, veggies cannot be used as the protein requirement in the standard Whole30. Is your issue with animal based protein at your meals a new thing? If you are relatively new to animal based protein, you could benefit from a digestive enzyme which will help your body develop the gut bacteria required for optimal digestion. Can you sub in different fishes, tinned and fresh, shellfish, eggs etc? And finally, sugar pills would not be permitted on Whole30. Some find it effective to combat nausea by steeping fresh ginger and lemon in some hot water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GFChris Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Also, green peas are not permitted on a Whole30, as they are a legume. I know I've suggested this previously, but perhaps you reconsider the Whole30 vegetarian option? It's a compromise, as compared to the results you'd potentially get on the omnivore program, but perhaps you'd have less nausea with the non-meat protein options that approach provides? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Tom Denham Posted March 19, 2015 Moderators Share Posted March 19, 2015 I am sorry that you have been having problems. I agree that you might benefit from taking a digestive enzyme. Many people who eat very little meat do not have the right gut bacteria to efficiently digest protein and can benefit from support from a supplement while their gut grows the bacteria it needs. In looking at your food log it is clear that you are not approaching the meal template guidelines at all meals. Some days you might meet them only once per day. You can say you have completed a Whole30 eating this way, but you can achieve only limited results this way. http://whole30.com/downloads/whole30-meal-planning.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlaccini Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 I have also noted that you like fruit/dried fruit quite a bit. Now this may or may not be causing nausea/bloating/discomfort symptoms. Dried fruit (and nuts) are great for causing general gut disruption etc. Is there anything in your meal plans that you don't normally eat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarmishta Posted March 19, 2015 Author Share Posted March 19, 2015 All, thanks for your inputs. As a family, we hardly eat meat, perhaps once in a fortnight or when we go out, since we come from vegetarian backgrounds. So, eating meat this often is very hard. I did not know that peas wasn't permitted (i read in your guideline that snow peas was permitted and assumed peas would be ok -yikes!), I did add peas to my beef patties a couple of days ago and looks like I had gone off compliance in ignorance. Not sure where to go from here..perhaps stick my neck through the course! Chris - is there a way I can switch to the vegetarian diet now? I think the protein suggestions in that plan was what I was mostly used to. Tom - could you elaborate why you feel that I'm not approaching the meal template guidelines? I have the template and I try to follow it. I didn't have it on Day 1, but from Day 2 onwards I have been trying to incorporate it. Carla - most of what's on my meal plan are new dishes for me (omlettes are usual, but most of the recipes I had to create anew based on the meal template. I have no clue where I'm going with this, its painstaking, new, and tiring to cook 3 times a day! ) --S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarmishta Posted March 19, 2015 Author Share Posted March 19, 2015 also, which digestive enzyme would you recommend? I looked at one of your recommended companies and there were way too many, and I didn't have a clue as to which one was for my needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GFChris Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Chris - is there a way I can switch to the vegetarian diet now? I think the protein suggestions in that plan was what I was mostly used to. Yes, ideally, you'd do 30 days on that plan, and treat what you did for the past 5 days as experimentation. For protein on the vegetarian plan, use only the protein sources identified in the vegetarian shopping list. As a side note, there is no need to cook 3 times a day. Find ways to cook in bulk, so you cook once, have multiple meals. Also, try dropping the fruit bars for snacks. Fruit bars are intended as emergency food only on a Whole30. It's best to have fresh fruit instead, and only with or immediately after your main meals. If you are genuinely hungry in between meals (litmus test: you could eat something really bland like steamed plain vegetables), have a mini-meal of protein, veg and fat. Work to create meals that satiate you for 4-5 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evaq Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Tom - could you elaborate why you feel that I'm not approaching the meal template guidelines? I have the template and I try to follow it. I didn't have it on Day 1, but from Day 2 onwards I have been trying to incorporate it. --S I'm very sorry to hear about your nausea. It sounds like you have a double whammy of adjustments: a significant increase in meat consumption as well as dealing with a whole 30 reset. That's a lot for your body, mind and marriage to adjust to! I think a lot of people underestimate the amount of food required for whole 30 meals. And it's difficult adjusting both mentally and physically because it *may* seem like an awful lot of food but it's truly what your body needs to thrive and fuel itself (with no snacking in between). Here are some photos I took of my breakfast, lunch and dinner to give you a visual of how much food I'm eating on whole 30. It might be helpful. The pics are about 7 posts in: http://forum.whole9life.com/topic/25771-why-am-i-so-hungry/ *Note: The fruit is combined (with other elements) on my breakfast plate so I'm not separating or eating sugar alone. Also, the salad you see on my lunch plate is only about half of the total amount. There was still another serving in the bowl. I eat *a lot* of salad at lunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarmishta Posted March 20, 2015 Author Share Posted March 20, 2015 Chris - thank you for taking the time to encourage me on the vegetarian whole30. I discussed with my hubby and was left with 2 options:- 1) that I continue the original plan but take digestive enzymes to train my system to digest meat. 2) to forego the original whole30 plan and restart a fresh vegetarian option nest week. After much thought, I think we have both decided to stick with option 1 for reasons that most of you have suggested (reset on metabolism, higher protein needs, anti-inflammatory benefits, etc.). I can crave the veggie option (seriously! -I love everything that;s in there), but I do think my body has issues with legumes and I better stay away from it for a month and see how my body adapts. Eva - you are very encouraging! I think I needed some of that, and most of us do when we work through a program like this which alters much of your life. I deeply appreciate your words, suggestions and even the pics. My meals do look like that (lots of eggs with veggies mixed in, much lesser fruit than on your plate, 1/1.5 large pieces of meat and if minced, typically more), but I know we can improve on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarmishta Posted March 20, 2015 Author Share Posted March 20, 2015 I saw a recommended digestive enzyme (NOW foods super enzyme) on your meat-eating guide page (http://whole30.com/2011/02/eating-meat-a-primer-for-the-meat-challenged/), but it seems like that one has sulfites on it (Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/NOW-Foods-Super-Enzymes-Capsules/dp/B0013OXKHC/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1426803975&sr=8-3&keywords=best+digestive+enzymes) ( vitacost - recommended seller - http://www.vitacost.com/now-foods-super-enzymes-180-capsules-1?csrc=GPF-PA-Vitamins%20%26%20Supplements-733739029645&ci_gpa=pla&ci_kw=&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=733739029645&gclid=CLD8v8zXtcQCFbIF7Aod20AANQ ) Does anyone know of alternatives? Also, are gelatin, cellulose, magnesium stearate ok? (they are not on the additives list on the whole30 website) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evaq Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 I like making my food pretty. The fruit was a modest serving, honest: 1/2 sliced banana, 3 sliced strawberries, 2 raspberries. So a palmful. They key is the amount of protein + veg + fat in each meal. Don't let my lovely food photography distract you. I love the way fruit *refreshes* and awakens my palate in the morning, but I'm fully aware that I have to keep my overall fruit consumption in check or else my sugar dragon rears itself. I also meant to commend you on your level headed tenacity! Starting a whole 30 reset is a big commitment and you've had plenty of stumbling blocks fall your way already, but instead of being frustrated and discouraged (which would be completely understandable) you calmly ask questions (with a very organized excel sheet!) and try to troubleshoot/resolve things. It's a great attitude to have - especially during whole 30. Best of luck! I hope things run a little smoother for you for the rest of your reset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarmishta Posted March 20, 2015 Author Share Posted March 20, 2015 Oh, did I tell you? My stove broke while I was making dinner We have to wait and see what tomorrow morning would look like! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlaccini Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Stove breaking - that is definitely a set back. Is it just the stove top or the oven as well? You could consume canned fish as alternative protein. Tuna/Salmon Salad on endive/salad leaves works. Is there anything else you can cook with - ie: crock pot or waffle iron or electric frying pan/grill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarmishta Posted March 21, 2015 Author Share Posted March 21, 2015 Carla, thanks for checking on me. It was the stove top and the oven. Tried cooking with a crockpot and a rice-cooker for two days. Actually the chicken curry turned out great in the crockpot. My stove and oven are back in action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evaq Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Gosh Sarmishta, I feel like you should get a sparkly shiny tiger sticker - some kind of reward for your perseverance, pluck and positive attitude. Thank you for following up on the thread. I deliberately checked the "Troubleshooting Forum" to see if you had an update. I was wondering how you and your husband were faring and am relieved to hear you're up and running so to speak. I think you are *definitely* due some good appliance karma and whole 30 karma. Moderators, can we ask Melissa and Dallas if they would consider commissioning some whole 30 tiger stickers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarmishta Posted March 23, 2015 Author Share Posted March 23, 2015 I think that's a great idea! And I think someone like you must reward the stickers too It's great having you here Eva. Been a pleasure knowing you, and hope to get to know you more around here, and perhaps offline too. Blessings, Sarmishta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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