Sophsmom Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I know getting on the scale and weighing and measuring food isn't in the spirit of the w30, but my doc and dietician really want me to do that. I start on Wednesday, 4/29 and am really hoping to lose weight as I have about 70 lbs to lose. Because of that, my PCP and dietician both really want me to weigh and measure my food, keep to a certain calorie level, and weigh myself once a week to make sure the scale is going down. I know this is not really compliant to w30, but me losing weight is pretty important as I'm starting to have some real obesity-related issues. My dietician, who I'll meet with weekly, said she could track my weight without me seeing the scale. I guess I could do that. I just think in this case that I have to listen to my doc and do what she says and be compliant to w30 in all other ways. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcbn Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I think your doctor and dietician are missing the point of the plan. Do you have a copy of ISWF that you could let them have a read through? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Tom Denham Posted April 27, 2015 Moderators Share Posted April 27, 2015 The Whole30 is extremely successful at helping people to lose weight and keep it off long-term. Weighing and measuring food is not acceptable during a Whole30... weighing and measuring food undermines how the Whole30 works. Your doctor and dietitian are no doubt well meaning, but they simply do not understand how the program works. If you weigh and measure your food, you would not be doing a Whole30. You would be following your doctor's program. You might accomplish the goals you have with your doctor's program, but it will not be a Whole30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kage Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I would ask them to give you 30 days. It is only 30 days. To commit to whole30 100%. If the dietician must weigh you compromise and say fortnightly but ONLY if she gives you NO indication of the numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrots&Blueberries Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 oof, this is frustrating to read! "I'm going to eat whole, real food for a month." Response: "we need to weigh it - and you - to be sure that it's a good idea" really?! I would go with Kage's suggestion: can they just give you 30 days to try this, and then they can weigh and measure to their hearts' content. (Also just a reminder that it's YOUR body and health, so presumably these health practitioners are working for you; you shouldn't undermine something that feels right to you and has been so successful for so many people to fit into their rules). And another note: often people with health issues see those resolve and then see the weight drop off. It's really nice to let that happen the way it needs to rather than on someone (else's!) schedule and according to some arbitrary rules or timeline. Good luck to you! and please keep us posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators ladyshanny Posted April 27, 2015 Administrators Share Posted April 27, 2015 And another note: often people with health issues see those resolve and then see the weight drop off. It's really nice to let that happen the way it needs to rather than on someone (else's!) schedule and according to some arbitrary rules or timeline. Good luck to you! and please keep us posted. I would have to agree with this. Weight loss is about your body being hormonally balanced and safe which is when healthy weight loss happens. If you have a lot of internal healing to do, your body may prioritize that over letting go of weight. To be weighed weekly, whether you get to know the number or not, is a problem because if you don't produce the numbers they feel that you should, you're going to find out about it and chances are it'll be by the person weighing telling you that you aren't being successful and you need to make a change. Weight loss is not linear. And unfortunately by weighing your food you tell your healing body that you aren't interested in what it has to say, you don't care what it needs and you'll do what an external force (your dr/dietician) says. That parks you right in the same emotional and mental context of any "diet" that you may have tried in the past. Whole30 is about trusting yourself. It's about removing the background noise caused by engineered crap foods and really hearing what your body has to say and honoring that. I would also tell your dr and dietician that you are taking a hiatus from their care for 30 days. As Carrots said, they work for you, you ALWAYS have the final say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munkers Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Would a food log satisfy your doctor and dietician? Examle: palm-size steak w/ fist-sized portion of sweet potatoes and 2 cups asparagus w/ tablespoon of ghee. This type of "measuring" would be in spirit with the Whole30 and would also give your providers a pretty good idea of exactly what you're eating. Have they recommended Whole30 specifically or are they just giving you the stock advice of "eat less and move more?" If it's the latter, they're probably going to freak out at the tablespoon (or more) of fat per meal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeadowLily Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Do you need weighing in for accountability and want permission? The reason I ask...because I was there about a year ago. I needed permission to weigh in and wanted not to...all at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophsmom Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 I brought up the Whole30 to my PCP then the dietitian in separate appointments this month and they both said, okay, great, sounds like an awesome plan, but you really need to make sure you lose weight. Since I overeat and have gained about 20 lbs since January due to some whacky hormonal issues that I hope were just settled by my surgery last week, the dietitian is afraid that I'll keep gaining, even on w30. I'm about 70-75lbs overweight, making me obese. I think the dietitian at least wants me to weigh protein portions and account for my fat calories so I'm not eating 2500 calories a day when I think I'm actually eating only 1500 calories. Then I'd be gaining weight. And in their minds, my need to lose weight trumps the spirit of the w30. They're all for the food restrictions, just not some of the other requirements. Thanks so much for all the great input. I just need to mull this over in my head a little and see if I can come to a happy medium. I can get weighed in without seeing the scale and could log my food without counting calories or other macros so I can show the dietitian that I'm meeting all my nutritional needs. So that may be the in-between that we go with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcbn Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 I think the dietitian at least wants me to weigh protein portions and account for my fat calories so I'm not eating 2500 calories a day when I think I'm actually eating only 1500 calories. I think you may need to remind your dietician/doctor that not all calories are created equal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators ladyshanny Posted April 28, 2015 Administrators Share Posted April 28, 2015 And in their minds, my need to lose weight trumps the spirit of the w30. They're all for the food restrictions, just not some of the other requirements. What other requirements are they not on board for? The Whole30 is about resetting hormones, rebalancing blood sugar, gaining health, improving sleep, improving vitality and energy. It sounds to me like they want you to lose weight at all costs which....to me.....sounds a bit shady. Many times the health issues associated with obesity are the same health issues that are associated with eating industrial processed garbage foods. Go figure. Eliminate the processed foods, focus on healthful foods in a quantity appropriate to your context and those health issues resolve. Losing weight purely by calorie reduction drops lean mass and some fat and does NOTHING to address the health issues. Can I ask, do you trust yourself to commit to this program and see it through? To make lasting change and to redefine your relationship with food? Thousands of people have come before you and done the same thing, do you trust YOU to do it? Because if so and you have hired this dietician, you call the shots, my friend. Also, it is extremely difficult to overeat fat if you are following our template. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betty7 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 I think their obsession with you losing weight is ludacris. This shows how fundamentally messed up the healthcare system is in this country. Doctors don't treat medical problems, they treat symptoms. I finished my first W30 on Thursday last week. I actually gained a pound, but that didn't deter me from moving forward. I off-roaded this weekend and I'm back in the saddle this week, because I know I'm getting healthier each time I eat a compliant meal and skip the nasty crap I used to eat. The weight loss will come in time. But what's the point of losing 70 pounds, Sophsmom, if as soon as you are done "dieting" you gain it all back and then some because you haven't changed unhealthy habits, relationships with certain foods, and obsession with the scale? Tell you doctors/dieticians/in-the-back-pocket-of-big-pharm-crooks to shove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeadowLily Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 I brought up the Whole30 to my PCP then the dietitian in separate appointments this month and they both said, okay, great, sounds like an awesome plan, but you really need to make sure you lose weight. Since I overeat and have gained about 20 lbs since January due to some whacky hormonal issues that I hope were just settled by my surgery last week, the dietitian is afraid that I'll keep gaining, even on w30. I'm about 70-75lbs overweight, making me obese. I think the dietitian at least wants me to weigh protein portions and account for my fat calories so I'm not eating 2500 calories a day when I think I'm actually eating only 1500 calories. Then I'd be gaining weight. And in their minds, my need to lose weight trumps the spirit of the w30. They're all for the food restrictions, just not some of the other requirements. Thanks so much for all the great input. I just need to mull this over in my head a little and see if I can come to a happy medium. I can get weighed in without seeing the scale and could log my food without counting calories or other macros so I can show the dietitian that I'm meeting all my nutritional needs. So that may be the in-between that we go with. Understood and appreciated. I was standing in your shoes a year ago. Doctor's orders trump Whole 30...so do the very best you can. The Whole 30 is a gentle approach for the BIG WIN. I wish you nothing but the best. Work with them and they may work with you, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophsmom Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 I had a ton of bloodwork done and everything came back normal. So despite being obese, I'm at least still somewhat healthy. But I think the doc and dietitian want to see the weight gaining to stop and for me to lose. I would like to lose weight as well, but if I stayed the same weight and gained a completely new relationship with food after 30 days, that would be a triumph like I've never had. To me, that trumps the weight loss. I know the doc and dietitian mean well so I'll write down what I eat so they know it's all healthy, then skip the weigh-in until the w30 is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeadowLily Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Good decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chezjulie Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Good luck, Sophsmom! I know from your other post that you're making a lot of changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrots&Blueberries Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I had a ton of bloodwork done and everything came back normal. So despite being obese, I'm at least still somewhat healthy. But I think the doc and dietitian want to see the weight gaining to stop and for me to lose. I would like to lose weight as well, but if I stayed the same weight and gained a completely new relationship with food after 30 days, that would be a triumph like I've never had. To me, that trumps the weight loss. I know the doc and dietitian mean well so I'll write down what I eat so they know it's all healthy, then skip the weigh-in until the w30 is over. Sounds great! I look forward to seeing your post-W30 update! Best of luck to you - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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