JaneBerkin Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 So, I think I was just hungry. My lunch was a little smaller than usual, and I realized that I COULD eat steamed fish and broccoli, even though I would much rather have some candy, but that's all it was. I do wonder why my craving for candy in particular was so strong. Could the sugar dragon really be back already? Swithy - asking this question about the craving - which really made me want pb cups in ice cream w/ caramel sauce - made me think about what i'm gonna do when i am faced with that. cos it's friggin hard! and I'm with Shannon on this one - eat the full template, eat full meals, satisfy hunger. that's the best defense against the crave monster i an think of. I mean, at least for me, I've never eaten this much, nor three square meals, and this is the first time in my whole life i haven't continually snacked all day, especially at night before bed. I just could never control it, maybe for a couple days, but never long term. i've read how will power and self control are limited resources, and the more we use them, the less we have. so from what i learned on this whole30, it's less about "control" and more about satisfying true hunger which helps us distinguish cravings from actually wanting a piece of great chocolate. all that said, i'm still nervous for when the crave comes over me. it's so hard. the only thing that helps: not having anything binge-able around :/also, re: sugar, I just read something on a forum about sugar that seemed to say it well: Remember everything you've learned from your Whole 30 about cravings. Cravings pass after about 5 minutes. They're false cues and mainly in the mind. True hunger comes roaring back. The Sugar Dragon. If you go back and play with that fella, he comes roaring back, too. Some may be under the assumption that after 30 Whole days, your body and mind's ability to process sugar is completely different. It might take a year or more for your body to heal from a lifetime of sugar consumption. i don't like the sound of that - a year or more - but i guess... that's what it is. hm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcki0133 Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 My weekend has been a complete bust...starting over....booo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeGA"gardener" Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Sorry about that Miki and you are doing the right thing for yourself You'll be better for it The above quote was from MeadowLily who can fill you in and change your mind about the Sugar Dragon! Here's a recent link from Ultarunnergirl I thought was interesting: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/28/go-easy-on-yourself-a-new-wave-of-research-urges/?_r=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckMama Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Final report, or almost final: After doing the reintroduction on the quick program (3 meals per day for a day then 2 days off and on to the next food), the results are in. Legumes are in Non-gluten grains are in . Thank goodness because I love rice with a passion. Dairy is out for now. Maybe after a few weeks I will try some non-cow dairy, since I hear it's gentler. Dairy day had some directly post-meal nausea then mild bloating and cramping. Nonetheless, my body was talking and it's my job to listen. The heavy hitter was gluten. I felt SO bad at the end of my first gluten containing meal that I was scared to let it go through my whole digestive system! I did because there were no good alternatives, but I am still feeling the repercussions. It was brutal. I feel like I tore a hole in my stomach and it still hurts sometimes... and just maybe I did . Well, now I know. No gluten. Maybe dairy for very, special and very, rare occasions. I hope that everyone else gets some good answers with their reintros. I kept saying that the worst case scenario would have been to have not had any real sensitivities, since I was looking for some medical answers. I have some answers! I will take it. Now let's be gluten and dairy free for a few months and see how that feels. Go team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debzella Posted June 22, 2015 Author Share Posted June 22, 2015 Yay, Duckmama! I know how important it is to discover food sensitivities and intolerances, so glad you found some answers. I am having a different experience. I have been banging along on this journey, maintaining compliance, and did find some energy, and better moods, but little else. I think cutting wine and obligatory cheese and crackers has done the most good for me, and has cut the bloating and creeping weight gain I was suffering from. But… everything else has stayed the same. My autoimmune issues have stayed the same, my joints are still stiff and achey, and none of that has really changed all this time. So, this weekend, I sort of fell off the wagon. That may be an understatement. I literally did a swan dive into a day long festive buffet and ate every available food group including bagels, cream cheese, goat cheese, chutney, bacon, (lots and lots of bacon) ice cream cake and gourmet s'mores over a campfire. I ate it all. And felt pretty good, too. No intestinal upsets, or any change in condition. So, I know these facts…. I don't have an intolerance to gluten, or dairy, or sugar. I didn't sleep last night, but that is probably because of all the gallons of coffee I drank, right up until bedtime. This morning, everything is pretty status quo. I keep waiting for my intestines to explode or something, but it's been an ordinary day so far. So, I am seriously considering this major off road experience. I'd say it wasn't so much off-roading as crashing through a barrier and careening down a mountain side. I think for me the issue is that when I'm not on Whole30, I just plain eat too much, and I was gaining weight like it was my job, before I started this program. I am back on whole30 this morning. And I'm committing to starting over. My problems with food aren't intolerances or sensitivities. My problem is rampant, mutant, out of control eating. Whole30 helps me keep that in check. So…. Hello Day One. Breakfast - 3 soft-boiled eggs, leftover roasted potatoes (a compliant food from yesterday's free-for-all), and two olives. Lunch - BAS with lettuce from my garden. Leftover roasted compliant chicken. Dinner - Kale, cauliflower, and chicken, either more leftover, or grilled chicken thighs. And that is it, even though my house is filled with leftovers from the brunch, I am not even tempted today. How is everyone else doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickiechan Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Well I decided to go Off-Roading for the Father's day meal at the Chinese Buffet... ugh! I made sure I pre-planned my 3 plates out. I love pot stickers before so i decided on 4 of those with the soy sauce, then got sushi... I had about 2 and half rolls and felt extremely bloated. I even topped it off with a small small bit of ice cream. Which was weakness on my part, which I had to rush my family away from park because I had to go to the bathroom later... sigh... Anyway, I woke up this morning with a headache and I really didn't want to eat Whole 30. The cravings hit back in full force. I was shocked. I wanted cereal and oatmeal.. I wanted a BAGEL! I was shocked... I even woke up sluggished and headache and I am back to Day 1 and this Friday plan to go Off-roading for some wine with our meal for a date night. I'm trying to give myself once a week off roading, but I found myself slipping. I need this challenge on my back to keep focus. Hopefully no more buffets... I hate them anyway. Down another pant size! So that is a awesome NSV!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcki0133 Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 DuckMama - I'm glad you had some results but sorry for the discomfort! This too shall pass... Mega - thanks for the article...it's a nice reminder that we all need to be good to us and remember to love ourselves! Debz --- you and me, lady! I'm starting over today too -- the weekend was a complete crash and burn. I was swan diving into breakfast croissants with eggs and cheese, froyo with all the toppings imaginable (this was my husbands fault. He wanted to go on a date ), PIZZA --- I LOVE PIZZZZZZZZZZA, LIQUOR...Liquor loves me, hot dogs, nachos, soda...you name it. We went to an outdoor baseball game for Father's Day and it all got the best of me. Unfortunately, I suffered many of the consequences...the majority of which came after the pizza....Cramping, abdominal discomfort, lots of time in the bathroom...dairy hates me. I think I'm a binger...I do so well for a while and BOOM, binge. The only other thing I did notice was being that I was starting over today, I weighed myself to see what the damage was and to scale my results after the next 30 days....AND THE SCALE DIDN'T BUDGE (even though I felt awful) -- now, that's weird. Back on the band wagon...Hello DAY ONE Looking forward to July 21st! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debzella Posted June 23, 2015 Author Share Posted June 23, 2015 Nickie - Awesome NSV! Mcki - We can keep each other company as we soldier on. The same thing happens to me. I go along fine for a while and then I don't know what happens, but I eat everything in sight. Today was interesting. I was able to stay on whole30, even though most of the leftovers are still in my house. I didn't want any of that stuff today. But the weird thing is that I was really craving a glass of wine tonight. During my buffet binge yesterday, I never had any wine or alcohol at all. So why today do I really, really want a glass? I went to a coffee shop tonight to write and have an herbal tea, and found myself thinking about wine. I started all this self-talk, like, all my friends drink wine, why can't I drink wine… why don't I just pop on over to the casino, and have a Cabernet and play the slots... I talked myself out of that, thank God, but then driving home, I was thinking, I should stop and pick up a nice Cab or Pinot Noir, and sit on the patio. It's such a nice summer night… But I didn't. I came home, put on my pajamas and came straight here to read everyone's posts and keep my focus. Crisis averted. I feel pretty strong right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmn1962 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Day 30! Where has the time gone? Feeling great and want to continue feeling this way. Because I have a bit more weight to loose I'm moving forward with my next Whole30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcki0133 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 WAY TO GO JMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swithy Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Sounds like everyone had a big weekend with some tough choices. I did some more off-roading / reintroductions and it was pretty mellow. On Friday, I decided to bring back rice so I could have sushi. But since I didn't want to bring in two things at once, I had no soy sauce. Learned a couple things: Sushi surprisingly tastes great without soy sauce, I could actually taste the fish and the rice. And in the past, I always used to get bloated after eating sushi--but this time I didn't. I wonder if soy was the culprit. Nickiechan do you think soy could have been the issue for you with the sushi? On Sunday I went to an ice cream tasting, where you got to vote on the best of 24 new flavors. I tried them all. And though I felt pretty gross about the amount of ice cream I'd just consumed, I wasn't sick at all. However, some of the flavors had mix-ins that I had not yet reintroduced, including corn chips, soy sauce (in ice cream!), and bread crumbs. But I think the quantities were so small, that they didn't have any effect on me at all. It was totally a gateway though. I decided that since I was feeling fine, I was going to have pasta/gluten for the first time since starting the Whole 30. It was incredible. I mean, pasta, wow, where have you been all my life. And no issues. However, I don't plan to keep eating it. It was a special occasion, and I'll continue to think of it that way. Even though no digestive issues, I know I am addicted to those foods and they cause me to gain weight in the quantity I used to eat them. I decided to keep off-roading, and reintroducing as I go along when something really phenomenal comes my way, but to keep working not to give in to cravings. I want to see how I cope with living in the real world without the Whole 30 as a crutch, and see if I can learn what my triggers are. Then, I plan to do another Whole 30 starting at the end of July and ending just before my birthday. I'll be making a trip back home at that time, and I want to shock my friends and family with how confident and good I'm feeling. Plus, I'm going to the beach and want to look good. My office building is giving out free ice cream today to tenants and it looks so delicious, but I think I maxxed out on ice cream this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeanie793 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Hello from Idaho! Taking a day off from hiking, river rapids, and sightseeing in Wyoming (just across the street from our lodging area) to enjoy a peaceful day of reading and writing. This area of the U.S. is really beautiful and the weather has been just perfect. No humidity! Ahh! Did you know it's still light out at 9:30 pm here? Phenomenal! It gives me so much more energy that I even have a hard time falling asleep! How can you fall asleep when the sun just set?!?! I've been doing ok with food, we've only been eating two meals a day, so that's not ok but we're doing so much we don't want to stop to eat! I'm trying to eat mostly Paleo but I'm also treating myself to something non paleo such as wine, cheese, bread every few meals. Feeling ok but certainly feel the effects of grains when I do have them. No surprise there. Nice to check in and read all your posts. I totally thought today was your weight check day Jean, but realized its tomorrow! Can't wait to hear, but I also know you're committed to keep on since you're feeling so good :-) Ok, off to reading my book and gazing at the Teton Mountain range! Soooo beautiful! Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeanie793 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Grand Tetons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeanie793 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Damn! It didn't post my pic :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swithy Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Jeanie - I just got back from Montana and Glacier National Park - same thing: no humidity, light till 10 up there! and gorgeous. Those Grand Tetons are beautiful. Enjoy!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debzella Posted June 24, 2015 Author Share Posted June 24, 2015 Jean! Congratulations! Day 31! Woot! How do you feel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debzella Posted June 24, 2015 Author Share Posted June 24, 2015 Day 3 here, of my new whole 30... and I am still not bored of good whole 30 meals, but I am starting to miss the finer things in life. Lol There is nothing like a steak on the grill and a nice cabernet. And a brie cheese course. I'm missing French style dinner parties and crusty artisan breads with Amish butter. Yes, I used to be a foodie. But I am hanging in there because of my autoimmune issues. Are they better? Over all, better. Are they gone? No. So I carry on... because whole 30 had come the closest to helping me regain some quality of life. Today Breakfast - soft boiled eggs with salmon and olives Lunch - romaine from my garden, so excited about that! With tomatoes, chicken, and leftover sauteed kale and cauliflower. Dinner - either grilled chicken thighs, or leftover grilled lamb chops from yesterday, sauteed butternut squash and a fresh pepper salad Have a great day! And Jeanie, your trip sounds amazing! Can't wait to see pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmn1962 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Very happy to report that today is day 31 and I'm down 14 lbs.! I didn't take any measurements but I'm no longer wearing the biggest size in my closet. I feel great and will continue with my journey...no re introductions yet because I would like to loose a bit more weight and I really want to make sure I've killed that sugar dragon. What I've learned..... 1. Eating 3 meals per day without snacks is key to success. 2. I really like sleeping 8 hours per night. 3. This way of eating has stabilized my glucose levels and no medication is required. 4. Life really does exist without having to take Advil everyday. 5. I feel like my old self prior to my surgery. Hope everyone has a great day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcki0133 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Very happy to report that today is day 31 and I'm down 14 lbs.! I didn't take any measurements but I'm no longer wearing the biggest size in my closet. I feel great and will continue with my journey...no re introductions yet because I would like to loose a bit more weight and I really want to make sure I've killed that sugar dragon. What I've learned..... 1. Eating 3 meals per day without snacks is key to success. 2. I really like sleeping 8 hours per night. 3. This way of eating has stabilized my glucose levels and no medication is required. 4. Life really does exist without having to take Advil everyday. 5. I feel like my old self prior to my surgery. Hope everyone has a great day. OH MY GOSH!!!!!!!!!!!! I wish I could like your post 100 times! Great results - WAY TO GO Jmn1962!!!!!!!!!!!!!! On to Day 3 over here on my 2nd Whole30 (along with Debz). Yesterday was SUPER tough, I'm finding that since I'm working out more this time around, I'm getting hungrier. I really need to look at that meal template and follow the guidelines pre- and post-workout. It seems easier now to make my meals and more of a routine, but I'm sure getting bored. I think on the first Whole30, we had the timeline, we had the daily emails, we had all these different experiences and challenges...now, it's just boring. This morning I made more egg muffins as they are super easy to grab and go. We're also going to the lake this weekend, so I'm hoping to stick with everything the whole time.. My friend that was doing the Whole30 with me last time and who lost 12lbs is sliding back into her old habits...I can see her at the office eating the donuts and snacking on all the treats. Then she looks like me and says, "I KNOW I KNOW." But, to each their own, I guess.... Happy HUMP Day!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaneBerkin Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Jean! Congratulations! WOOHOOO! It sounds like you've really hit your stride with whole eating and whole living -- so happy to hear you feel like your old, pre-surgery self!!! What a huge achievement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcki0133 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 My name is Mcki0133 and I am a binge-er. You guys...I fell off the wagon again. Not bad, but I wasn't complaint and need to start over yet again. I'm not sure what it is but this go round I don't have the same motivation to keep going...I don't want to miss out but need to keep going in order to reach my goals. I'm not sure where to find the motivation I had the first time, but I need it. Part of the problem is that we haven't been making our lunches or having left overs to bring to lunch. Life is busy and that part of this journey got put on the back burner which fell into a downward spiral. I wasn't going to say anything but that doesn't help me at all...so I'm telling you guys that I slipped. Moving forward, before I start again, I need to be in the right mind set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators ladyshanny Posted June 25, 2015 Administrators Share Posted June 25, 2015 My name is Mcki0133 and I am a binge-er. You guys...I fell off the wagon again. Not bad, but I wasn't complaint and need to start over yet again. I'm not sure what it is but this go round I don't have the same motivation to keep going...I don't want to miss out but need to keep going in order to reach my goals. I'm not sure where to find the motivation I had the first time, but I need it. Part of the problem is that we haven't been making our lunches or having left overs to bring to lunch. Life is busy and that part of this journey got put on the back burner which fell into a downward spiral. I wasn't going to say anything but that doesn't help me at all...so I'm telling you guys that I slipped. Moving forward, before I start again, I need to be in the right mind set. Hey mcki! First, read this article. The second is often harder than the first. http://whole30.com/2015/02/second-whole30/ Second, perhaps take a few days to think about why you want to do another and how you are going to plan for your own success. Maybe consider joining the July 1st group which is the official site wide Whole30 this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcki0133 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 LadyShanny, thank you so much for posting this article...wow! This hits the nail on the head....actually makes me more discouraged! Shoot. Time to reflect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeGA"gardener" Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Sounds like all is well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debzella Posted June 25, 2015 Author Share Posted June 25, 2015 Thank you, also, ladyshanny. Mkci, I am under the wagon with you. I'll keep it short, but I couldn't stay compliant 100% either this time. I'm doing fine on some meals, but not all. I think I'm going to consider the site wide whole 30, I need that kind of momentum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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