Irishboy Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Hi Out there I'm on day 12 of my 2nd whole30, i feel ive enbraced it alot better this time. A thought that has never occured to me before as this is habit more than anything. I eat 3 good whole 30 meals a day, 1st at 7am and last around 6/7 o clock PM. In work i have a break at 9.30 and usally eat some frut and green tea and later when the kids are asleep i (8.30ish) i have a coffee/ green tea and a homemade liar bar( which i have been thinking about since i wake up every morning), would this be classed as snacking and if so how would it impact on the whole30. Im new to the forum so would like to here from anyone out there, i'm from Ireland (tag name gives that away). I havent anyone else enbrace the whole 30 from Ireland. Irishboy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcbn Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Well, I'm also from Ireland so you've met one more. And there's also currently Zoe here on the forums, so that's two... Regarding your snacking: the evening ritual definitely sounds like snacking to me, and since any kind of bar, whether store bought or home-made, is classed as an emergency food only (as in you've fallen from Torr head & got your foot stuck in a ravine, it's been 10hrs, no sign of rescue, and your hand is starting to look appetising kind of emergency) I think you should very swiftly ditch that habit - like, yesterday.The morning fruit is also a habit, and since fruit shouldn't be eaten on it's own as a snack you need to ditch that too.The green tea is fine.Think about why you're eating the fruit/bar? Are you genuinely hungry? If you are then your meals aren't big enough so increase the size of them. If you're not hungry then it's habit/boredom. If you're having cravings then don't give in to them unless they absolutely will. not. pass - in which case don't feed the craving with sugar, stamp it out with fat. Fat is the only way. And along with myself and Zoe, fat is your friend Hope this helps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishboy Posted January 13, 2016 Author Share Posted January 13, 2016 Damn it i was reading another thread as i was eating my 9.30 fruit. Its gone forever,i have made an industrail batch of bar, may include it in my last meal, the fruit thing is a habit as i dont really like fruit, it has nothing to do with sugar. I started triathlons last year and finished 1st marathon in Oct but have been out injured since , seeing a speialist today so exercise is out at the moment. Glad you replied as we can swap ideas and shops that are helpful with the whole30. Are you doing whole 30 at the moment and if so what day and how are you doing. Irishboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcbn Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 I'm not technically doing a W30 at the moment, although to anyone looking at my food they'd assume I was - I've been eating this way pretty much all the time now for around a year, apart for the odd conscious decision to off-road (dairy, sugar, alcohol only) every now and then - mostly when I'm on holiday. I was Paleo/Primal for about 3yrs before that.I've been avoiding high FODMAP foods since the end of July last year as they were causing me a lot of bloating, stomach cramps etc, so I'm currently reintroducing those, one at time, fructans first, then polyols to see how I go. This week it's beetroot.Was it the Dublin marathon you did in October?I used to do a lot of running a year or so back, but got a calve injury that set me back & I've never really got back into it - although I keep saying I'm going to change that - now I do mostly weights & functional movement.Good luck at the specialist today - and any other questions just ask! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishboy Posted January 13, 2016 Author Share Posted January 13, 2016 Thanks for your reply. Your really into this. Yes i completed the Dublin Marathon 4.33 i was on for 4 hours and body caved in for the last 12 k, pure hell, but i have the medal and im still paying for it. i have pretty much lived around the edges of whole foods for the last year and a half, coming up to christmas i just let it go. I do have a question. With the food im on now, i use the local butchers, fruit & Veg shops, farmers markets etc, but with other supermartet items i finding it hard to get whole 30 compilant foods , curry paste without sugars, Pasatta etc. Do you have any advise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoe Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 hi irishboy i would be the zoe !! with you on the 0930 drink with fruit - my fav would be raisins i try not to snack between meals - find my body does better when it rests between food Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoe Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 I make my own curry paste - usually from the following stuff... cinnamon / cumin / corriander / tumeric / ginger / garlic / mustard / cayenne / curry leaves (love curry leaves) / salt etc mixed with olive oil - usually leave my onions/carrot/tomato festering in this for a couple of hours to enhance the flavour then saute off and add all the other ingredients Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishboy Posted January 13, 2016 Author Share Posted January 13, 2016 Hi Zoe Thanks for the reply, i'm going to cut it out , Its the final sit down in the evening on front of the telly, Cuppa in one hand and Liar bar in the other will be hard. I will let you know how i get on. Are you doing the Whole 30 at the moment. If so how are you getting on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcbn Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 I finding it hard to get whole 30 compilant foods , curry paste without sugars, Pasatta etc. Do you have any advise. I usually make my own (not unlikes Zoe's above), but the Thai Taste Red & Green curry pastes are both compliant, and if you're in the North I managed to find one at St George's market once upon a time although I don't recall the brand/seller... Most of the sellers there have a regular fri, sat & sun spot though. You should be able to find chopped tomatoes & tomato paste in pretty much any major super-market - or the Polish food stores are pretty good (& cheap) if you have one close by (I also get fresh sauerkraut here, and some other bits & pieces) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishboy Posted January 13, 2016 Author Share Posted January 13, 2016 HI Zoe Curry it is so the weekend, i will cook it and let you know i get on. i'm making the simplest Ragu at the moment in a slow cooker and its so tasty, Onions, Garlic and peppers chopped finely and fryed off, 2Lb of steak pieces browned, into slow cooker, bottle of Pasetta tiny drop of water, ( worchester sauce only small amount, could be breaking the law here) and cook for 6/8 hours. Its very nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcbn Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 ( worchester sauce only small amount, could be breaking the law here) Yep, sorry - worcestershire sauce contains barley, molasses and sugar AFAIK... all off limits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoe Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 yes - worcester is a no no - contains gluten / sugar etc I use tiger tiger gluten free worcester sauce for my kids - they are all gluten free - so could be an option for you after W30 - I haven't tried it but if it gets the OK from my lot its OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishboy Posted January 13, 2016 Author Share Posted January 13, 2016 Wow, i'll just add chilli. Thanks to both of you. Now your going to be plauged with questions, I'm off to have Turkey pieces and salad with a handful of cashews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
violetta Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 If you are truly hungry at night, as in steamed broccoli and fish (whole 30), make another mini-meal instead of a bar. I have to eat 4 meals every day to make it through so I usually have a piece of meat and a little sweet potato or olives or avocado around 9 and then I sleep much better and don't wake up at 4 ready for breakfast. I am doing lots of exercise however and eat dinner about 5:30. I would be very careful about the nuts at night too. They are not really the right kind of fat, (olives would be better) and are more like a snack than a meal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishboy Posted January 14, 2016 Author Share Posted January 14, 2016 If you are truly hungry at night, as in steamed broccoli and fish (whole 30), make another mini-meal instead of a bar. I have to eat 4 meals every day to make it through so I usually have a piece of meat and a little sweet potato or olives or avocado around 9 and then I sleep much better and don't wake up at 4 ready for breakfast. I am doing lots of exercise however and eat dinner about 5:30. I would be very careful about the nuts at night too. They are not really the right kind of fat, (olives would be better) and are more like a snack than a meal. Thanks for the advise, iam out injured looks like till April and type of injury means zero exercise. Its pure habit as is my coffee drinking on my 2nd cup already this morning.. On Day 12 woke up this morning before the alarm and full of energy. So the good effects are starting to kick in, onwards and upwards, snacking a thing of the past i hope. Irishboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgia Kaye Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Hi! I just started my first Whole30 on Monday, and am doing fine. The hardest thing is not pouring a glass of wine while I'm cooking dinner. But I do have a question about snacking. I'm finding it hard to get from lunch to dinner without something around 3:30 or 4. I eat lunch at 12:30 or 1, and I eat until I'm quite full. By 3:30, I'm hungry (not just bored, but hungry), and there's no way I'll make it until dinner at 7 without something. I've been having an apple and a bit of almond butter as a mid-afternoon snack to tide me over. As long as what I'm eating is not a "food without brakes", isn't it ok? I feel like that's a better choice than overeating at lunch just so I can make it to dinner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcbn Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 What are you eating on a daily basis Georgia?It could be that if you're having fruit in the morning that it's causing that slump mid afternoon, which you are perpetuating by having fruit, thereby creating a vicious cycle.I'd be inclined to suggest a 'snack' of a protein & fat if you feel you MUST have one - but definitely look at the composition of your earlier meals first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishboy Posted January 14, 2016 Author Share Posted January 14, 2016 Hi! I just started my first Whole30 on Monday, and am doing fine. The hardest thing is not pouring a glass of wine while I'm cooking dinner. But I do have a question about snacking. I'm finding it hard to get from lunch to dinner without something around 3:30 or 4. I eat lunch at 12:30 or 1, and I eat until I'm quite full. By 3:30, I'm hungry (not just bored, but hungry), and there's no way I'll make it until dinner at 7 without something. I've been having an apple and a bit of almond butter as a mid-afternoon snack to tide me over. As long as what I'm eating is not a "food without brakes", isn't it ok? I feel like that's a better choice than overeating at lunch just so I can make it to dinner. First of all good luck with the Whole 30. Make sure your spacing your meals out correctly. Also are your meals large enough, the idea is you eat enough to get you through to the next one, the first week is all about getting your head around the foood stuffs and portion ize , stick with it , it works. Irishboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgia Kaye Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Thanks for the reply, jmcbn. I'm not eating any fruit until the snack. I have eggs with lots of veggies for breakfast, and usually homemade chicken vegetable soup for lunch, so I don't think that's the problem. For the past ten or so years, I've followed the principals of the South Beach diet, which call for snacks in the morning and afternoon, so I think my body is accustomed to that. Can you explain the reason that having your fruit in the mid-afternoon as opposed to with your lunch is not recommended? I could eat it with lunch, but frankly, I'm so stuffed that I hate to force feed myself just to avoid having my fruit later in the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgia Kaye Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Thank you Irishboy. By spacing my meals properly, what exactly do you mean? I have my breakfast around 8 AM, lunch at 12:30 or 1, and dinner at 7. I'm eating until I am feeling almost overly full; I can't imagine eating any more at a meal than I do. In your original post, you said you were snacking; have you been able to stop, and how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishboy Posted January 14, 2016 Author Share Posted January 14, 2016 Thanks for the reply, jmcbn. I'm not eating any fruit until the snack. I have eggs with lots of veggies for breakfast, and usually homemade chicken vegetable soup for lunch, so I don't think that's the problem. For the past ten or so years, I've followed the principals of the South Beach diet, which call for snacks in the morning and afternoon, so I think my body is accustomed to that. Can you explain the reason that having your fruit in the mid-afternoon as opposed to with your lunch is not recommended? I could eat it with lunch, but frankly, I'm so stuffed that I hate to force feed myself just to avoid having my fruit later in the day. Hi i dont see much of the fats in the meals your eating , this could be part of the problem......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
violetta Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Many people Hi! I just started my first Whole30 on Monday, and am doing fine. The hardest thing is not pouring a glass of wine while I'm cooking dinner. But I do have a question about snacking. I'm finding it hard to get from lunch to dinner without something around 3:30 or 4. I eat lunch at 12:30 or 1, and I eat until I'm quite full. By 3:30, I'm hungry (not just bored, but hungry), and there's no way I'll make it until dinner at 7 without something. I've been having an apple and a bit of almond butter as a mid-afternoon snack to tide me over. As long as what I'm eating is not a "food without brakes", isn't it ok? I feel like that's a better choice than overeating at lunch just so I can make it to dinner. Many people are used to having a smaller meal at lunch than at dinner so my advice is to eat lunch like it is dinner, remember it is just meal 2 and can be as elaborate at dinner. Make enough at dinner to have leftovers for the next lunch. Eat more than you usually think of as lunch. Make sure you include a starchy vegetable such as a sweet or reg. potato or squash and make sure you get the full 2-3 cups of vegetables (that really is a lot, you will need some cooked veg to get enough). After a while, that urge to snack will go away and a little hunger won't make you run to the refrigerator. If you really are too hungry, have some meat cut up and ready to eat in the refrigerator and some cut up veggies, roasted veggies are great for an emergency mini-meal. But try to minimize it if you can. I can sometimes get by by doing a little dinner prep at about 3 and then doing other things before I eat. It lets me hand around in the kitchen without indulging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgia Kaye Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 You could be onto something there, Irish. My eggs are cooked in a small amount of olive oil, but lunch doesn't have much fat at all. I'll throw some avocado in there today and see if that helps. Thanks!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishboy Posted January 14, 2016 Author Share Posted January 14, 2016 So far so good, i can understand were your coming from , instead of Liar bar with my 8 oclock cuppa i had it with my meal at 6, dont see the difference, except the large headache this morning, but im grinning through it. Ah a glass of wine.. must put that thought out of my head.. No fruit break today hungry now but its more my brain than stomach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishboy Posted January 14, 2016 Author Share Posted January 14, 2016 i eat more nuts than a monkey, also the farmers market near me sell top notch olives, try making guacamole, goes with everything, Fats with help with the hunger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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