OilLabLifestyle Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Today the Sugar Dragon reared its head. While I stayed compliant, I fed it with dates/coconut/almonds. NOT the best choice since the dates prob shot up my sugar (and calorie load) and dropped it again. I really want to avoid this tomorrow!! Eek! I have fruit 1-2 times a day, but today I found myself picking at the date rolls all afternoon. They might not get purchased the remainder of this 30 day challenge!! Today's only day 4. AKK! Aviva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators SugarcubeOD Posted May 2, 2016 Moderators Share Posted May 2, 2016 The only way to kill a sugar dragon is to starve it out so if you're having a problem with it, leave off the dates, date balls and fruit... Also, please don't worry about 'caloric load' in these 30 days. There is no part of the Whole30 that cares about calories in vs calories out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmhampton1 Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 I agree with SugarCube. I am giving up fruit all together on this W30 because all it does is make my cravings for sugar and bread horrible. I'm not at a point where I can eat it so I have to just stay away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcbn Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Fat.Fat is your friend.If you're having cravings that absolutely won't pass with some kind of a distraction technique, reach for some fat - not nuts which are pretty carb dense for a fat, but a handful of olives, or a spoonful of coconut or macnut oil will soon put an end to your woes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OilLabLifestyle Posted May 2, 2016 Author Share Posted May 2, 2016 OK, granted they are better than 1/2 dozen cookies. Or a snickers. Or ice cream. BUT. I have these fabulous date rolls I picked up that are dates, coconut and almond - I cannot leave them alone. 9:15 am Breakfast - quick hard boiled egg and ONE date before my 90 min aerobics/weights class. 24 oz water 11: 30 am Post WO - Hardboiled egg and a few cubes of sweet potato 1:15pm Lunch - BIG cabbage/beet/cashew salad with 2 apple chicken sausages. Dressing was homemade mayo (whole30 recipe) with avocado and spices. I was full! 2:45pm... these frikkin date rolls. I had 3 of them. 360 calories of little more than sugar, I suspect. Drinking the water... getting 24 oz down. Planning on grilled shrimp, spiralized veggie "pasta" and basil pesto sauce for dinner around 6pm. If I make it til then...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators SugarcubeOD Posted May 2, 2016 Moderators Share Posted May 2, 2016 Have you seen the meal template? One hard boiled egg and a date is not breakfast. We recommend a full template breakfast within an hour of waking. If you want to do a pre workout, that's in addition to the breakfast and you need to ditch the date. It sounds like you drink 48oz of water a day? That's perfect for someone that weighs 96 pounds. If you weigh more, the recommendation is 1/2oz per pound of body weight. We've mentioned to you in the past that 'calories' are not a subject of discussion here so while I would discourage the date rolls, it is NOT because of the caloric load. I would discourage them because they're keeping your cravings alive and it's clear you're not eating enough if you're needing to snack... if you're talking about 'making it till then' for five hours between lunch and dinner then you're absolutely not eating enough. Please remove 'calories' from your vocabulary for these 30 days and put the dates, dried fruit and nuts away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcbn Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 OK, granted they are better than 1/2 dozen cookies. Or a snickers. Or ice cream. BUT. I have these fabulous date rolls I picked up that are dates, coconut and almond - I cannot leave them alone. 9:15 am Breakfast - quick hard boiled egg and ONE date before my 90 min aerobics/weights class. 24 oz water 11: 30 am Post WO - Hardboiled egg and a few cubes of sweet potato 1:15pm Lunch - BIG cabbage/beet/cashew salad with 2 apple chicken sausages. Dressing was homemade mayo (whole30 recipe) with avocado and spices. I was full! 2:45pm... these frikkin date rolls. I had 3 of them. 360 calories of little more than sugar, I suspect. Drinking the water... getting 24 oz down. Planning on grilled shrimp, spiralized veggie "pasta" and basil pesto sauce for dinner around 6pm. If I make it til then...! Actually, no. They're not. Dates are particularly high in fructose - a type of sugar that can only be processed by the liver, after it's dealt with any other kinds of sugar, which means it's often stored as fat. Dates are as close to candy as you can get on a Whole30 and just as dangerous. My advice would be to bin the rest of them, and put everything you ever learned about calories far out of your mind for the remainder of your 30 days. ETA: I was also going to comment on the composition of your meals which, if improved would help immensely with your cravings/snacking, but see that SugarCube has already done that....!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators SugarcubeOD Posted May 2, 2016 Moderators Share Posted May 2, 2016 I'm also going to merge this thread with your thread from last evening about these same date rolls... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OilLabLifestyle Posted May 2, 2016 Author Share Posted May 2, 2016 Have you seen the meal template? One hard boiled egg and a date is not breakfast. We recommend a full template breakfast within an hour of waking. If you want to do a pre workout, that's in addition to the breakfast and you need to ditch the date. It sounds like you drink 48oz of water a day? That's perfect for someone that weighs 96 pounds. If you weigh more, the recommendation is 1/2oz per pound of body weight. We've mentioned to you in the past that 'calories' are not a subject of discussion here so while I would discourage the date rolls, it is NOT because of the caloric load. I would discourage them because they're keeping your cravings alive and it's clear you're not eating enough if you're needing to snack... if you're talking about 'making it till then' for five hours between lunch and dinner then you're absolutely not eating enough. Please remove 'calories' from your vocabulary for these 30 days and put the dates, dried fruit and nuts away. Hey! Thanks for replying - I actually didn't see the replies to my post last night for whatever reason. Im' sorry it was a repeat! I did check to see, but I'm also still learning how to navigate the forum site/content I follow functions. Today was a little off... the one egg and date I had was within an hour of waking, and I was running late to get to the gym. I don't usually do that. The other days on my log are more typical. I'm a little confused about nuts. Why are they a sugar triggering food? I didn't think they had much of a carb load, but I could be wrong. Ok. I'll ditch the dates. I have a lot to work on all at once, hydration being another issue, and proper sleep. Do I need to restart the Whole 30? Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OilLabLifestyle Posted May 2, 2016 Author Share Posted May 2, 2016 The only way to kill a sugar dragon is to starve it out so if you're having a problem with it, leave off the dates, date balls and fruit... Also, please don't worry about 'caloric load' in these 30 days. There is no part of the Whole30 that cares about calories in vs calories out. gotcha. I don't think any other fruit gives me this much of an issue. I usually have them early in the day, but feel no need to keep going back for more like I have been with the dates. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karen_Suep Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Nuts have a lot of anti nutrients and can cause a lot of gut issues so they are better left out or used only occasionally. Since they are considered a fat for w30 purposes, maybe swap the nuts for another kind of fat, like avocado, compliant mayo, any variety of animal fats (lard, tallow, whatever), ghee, coconut, olives... There's a vast array of compliant fats that will complement any meal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators SugarcubeOD Posted May 2, 2016 Moderators Share Posted May 2, 2016 Hey! Thanks for replying - I actually didn't see the replies to my post last night for whatever reason. Im' sorry it was a repeat! I did check to see, but I'm also still learning how to navigate the forum site/content I follow functions. Today was a little off... the one egg and date I had was within an hour of waking, and I was running late to get to the gym. I don't usually do that. The other days on my log are more typical. I'm a little confused about nuts. Why are they a sugar triggering food? I didn't think they had much of a carb load, but I could be wrong. Ok. I'll ditch the dates. I have a lot to work on all at once, hydration being another issue, and proper sleep. Do I need to restart the Whole 30? Thanks again. You don't need to restart unless you've eaten off plan foods, which I don't believe you have. Just be more thoughtful about what you're eating and compose your meals as per the template and that will help a lot... also, more water... always more water! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcbn Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 I'm a little confused about nuts. Why are they a sugar triggering food? I didn't think they had much of a carb load, but I could be wrong. Nuts and seeds can be surprisingly carb dense which often makes them a problem food for people with a sugar dragon to battle. Cashews have about 8g of carbs per ounce for instance, almonds have around 6g per ounce and chia seeds a surprising 12g per ounce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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