Terri822 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Just wondering how long it typically takes to become fat adapted? & how to tell? I'm assuming one way to tell is you can go longer in between meals without needing to snack and your blood sugar feels more stable? Also- will eating carbs before workout slow this process? I just can't seem to stomach just fat & protein early in the morning before I workout and I definitely need a decent snack before I train... Before whole30 I would do cashew butter with plantain bread I make (just eggs & plantain baked) .. so lately I've been eating a few raw balls I make for my husband ... Mostly coconut & cashews and a little bit of dried apricots. They are pretty low sugar and mostly fat.. Not a lot of protein though ... I know not to eat a low of nuts but he does because his list of food allergies is crazy .. But he can do cashews so he does eat them every day. Any other suggestions? thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastwalker Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 I'm wondering the same thing. I'm on day 27 and cannot tell if I'm burning fat. I can't eat protein and fats before a morning workout. (Reheated chicken did not work!) So I've been eating an Epic bar before my workouts. I'm no longer sluggish during my longer walks, and I'm beginning to pick up speed again. That said, I am seeing no decrease in my body fat. Am I burning fat? If so, why am I not seeing less fat on my waist? BTW I'm 5' 5" and weighed 128 lbs before starting. My typical fall race weight is 120 lbs. I didn't start this to lose weight, but I did expect to have less fat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators ladyshanny Posted July 11, 2016 Administrators Share Posted July 11, 2016 Just wondering how long it typically takes to become fat adapted? & how to tell? I'm assuming one way to tell is you can go longer in between meals without needing to snack and your blood sugar feels more stable? Also- will eating carbs before workout slow this process? I just can't seem to stomach just fat & protein early in the morning before I workout and I definitely need a decent snack before I train... Before whole30 I would do cashew butter with plantain bread I make (just eggs & plantain baked) .. so lately I've been eating a few raw balls I make for my husband ... Mostly coconut & cashews and a little bit of dried apricots. They are pretty low sugar and mostly fat.. Not a lot of protein though ... I know not to eat a low of nuts but he does because his list of food allergies is crazy .. But he can do cashews so he does eat them every day. Any other suggestions? thanks! Eating carbohydrates before your workout won't necessarily turn off fat adaptation but it's not your best bet for good results. The pre workout suggestion is protein and fat because you are trying to teach your body to access its own stores rather than relying on quick carbs. If you want to, you are free to try working out fasted and see how you do. Then do your post workout lean protein and starchy veggie right after, shower/change and then go eat your meal one. If you do want to eat pre-workout, try different combinations (meatballs and mayo, hard boiled egg, chicken thigh & guacamole) and see what works best for you. You do get used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators ladyshanny Posted July 11, 2016 Administrators Share Posted July 11, 2016 I'm wondering the same thing. I'm on day 27 and cannot tell if I'm burning fat. I can't eat protein and fats before a morning workout. (Reheated chicken did not work!) So I've been eating an Epic bar before my workouts. I'm no longer sluggish during my longer walks, and I'm beginning to pick up speed again. That said, I am seeing no decrease in my body fat. Am I burning fat? If so, why am I not seeing less fat on my waist? BTW I'm 5' 5" and weighed 128 lbs before starting. My typical fall race weight is 120 lbs. I didn't start this to lose weight, but I did expect to have less fat. Epic bars, used as a pre-workout is not compliant with the rules of Whole30, sorry. Any sort of bar is only for an emergency and using them as a planned pre-workout isn't an emergency. As I stated above, try different things. Try the chicken cold, smeared in sunshine sauce or mayo. Try a piece of meatloaf or hamburger with guacamole. I'm wondering how you know you are not burning fat, you're not weighing or measuring yourself, right? Also, I'm sure you're aware that fat loss cannot be targeted to specific regions so although you say you are not seeing less fat on your waist, doesn't mean that you are not experiencing some sort of body comp revision. That all said, at your height and reported weight, you are well within a healthy range and the expectation to see a visible revision might be a higher expectation than may be reasonable. You can certainly post a few days of typical intake along with portions, fluids, exercise etc and we can take a look and see if anything stands out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastwalker Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 I don't know if I am burning fat. That is really the question. How can I tell? I know it seems as if at my height and weight I'm normal, but I have a very small frame and carry all of my extra weight around my waist. This is definitely 6 lbs more than I should be carrying. Some of my clothes are too tight (have been for months) and the only change I have seen over the last 27 days is that my pants are even tighter some days. I might just not be cut out for this. I can't eat eggs, I can't eat avocado. I've tried eating a variety of different proteins before working out, and the only one that works so far is an Epic bar. Lunch meats would probably work, but I can't find any that are compliant. I've forced myself to eat breakfast, but I'm still not hungry in the morning. I thought I was doing pretty well -- no digestive issues at all, which used to be a problem -- but apparently I am not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staggolee41 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 I don't know if I am burning fat. That is really the question. How can I tell? I know it seems as if at my height and weight I'm normal, but I have a very small frame and carry all of my extra weight around my waist. This is definitely 6 lbs more than I should be carrying. Some of my clothes are too tight (have been for months) and the only change I have seen over the last 27 days is that my pants are even tighter some days. I might just not be cut out for this. I can't eat eggs, I can't eat avocado. I've tried eating a variety of different proteins before working out, and the only one that works so far is an Epic bar. Lunch meats would probably work, but I can't find any that are compliant. I've forced myself to eat breakfast, but I'm still not hungry in the morning. I thought I was doing pretty well -- no digestive issues at all, which used to be a problem -- but apparently I am not. Have you tried compliant hot dogs or sausage? Applegate Naturals makes a compliant hot dog I found at both the common and upscale grocery stores in my area. Or... Lou's Naturals makes some very tasty sausages under the Garrett Valley division that are delicious (http://garrettvalley.com/products/smoked-sausages) as well as a compliant roast beef (http://garrettvalley.com/products/deli-meats/whole-roast-beef). Another meat that can feel like deli meat is prosciutto, which I've found is easier to locate in compliant forms than standard lunch meat. I've found that there are lots of compliant prosciuttos, but for the tastiest (by far), keep your eyes peeled for an Italian brand called Tanara. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeadowLily Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 http://forum.whole30.com/topic/4272-fat-adaption/ http://forum.whole30.com/topic/34544-questions-about-fat-adaptation/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastwalker Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Thanks, Staggolee41. I have compliant hot dogs but thought they would be a worse choice than an Epic bar. I will use them instead. In the meantime, I'll look for some of the lunch meats you have suggested. I've had some delicious prosciuttos, but they are rather expensive to eat very often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staggolee41 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Thanks, Staggolee41. I have compliant hot dogs but thought they would be a worse choice than an Epic bar. I will use them instead. In the meantime, I'll look for some of the lunch meats you have suggested. I've had some delicious prosciuttos, but they are rather expensive to eat very often. Agreed on the expense of tasty prosciutto... though I found some at Wal-Mart that was okay and pretty cheap. Tanara 18-mo is like... $27/lb. Yikes! Part of Whole30 is getting away from conventional thinking. I too would think automatically that hot dogs would be worse, but if you think about it, most of the nasty bits have been removed if it's compliant. Plus... you could easily smear some mayo on there for your fat. Best of luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastwalker Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 I can't eat eggs so mayo is out. That is one of my biggest problems. I had planned to have a variety of protein salads when I don't feel like cooking, but I can't. (Found out the first few days.) I have found a variety of sausages that are compliant, but I thought I am too reliant on them. Plus some of them just aren't very tasty. Tomorrow is day 30 so who knows what will happen after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karen_Suep Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Use a vinaigrette go fat in protein salads. I love tinned tuna with tessamaes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ultrarunnergirl Posted July 12, 2016 Moderators Share Posted July 12, 2016 Have you tried Melissa Joulwan's egg-free mayo? I highly recommend it if you are egg-free. Protein salad can also be made with mustard and a little olive oil instead of mayo. You might need to change up your add-ins but it should work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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