jangmi74 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Hi all- I'm on day 4 like most of you. Feeling ok physically, just extremely BORED. Just have a few questions: 1. Are white/sweet potatoes really ok? 2. Is any kind of juice ok? (would love some OJ). If not, WHAT do y'all drink besides coffee and water? 3. Just want to confirm that Morton's salt is ok, I read it had sugar. I'm using so much of it. Could that be why I have not had bad withdrawals because I'm getting sugar from the salt? 4. How many bananas/avocados are too many? So far I have had two bananas (total in 4 days) and a small avocado each day. Love me an avocado with salt. ok that's it. Good luck all!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jangmi74 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Whoops meant to post this under May 1st start date...still trying to figure out forum. Could a moderator move it there possibly? Sorry about that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators SugarcubeOD Posted May 4, 2017 Moderators Share Posted May 4, 2017 29 minutes ago, jangmi74 said: Whoops meant to post this under May 1st start date...still trying to figure out forum. Could a moderator move it there possibly? Sorry about that.... Fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators SugarcubeOD Posted May 4, 2017 Moderators Share Posted May 4, 2017 33 minutes ago, jangmi74 said: Hi all- I'm on day 4 like most of you. Feeling ok physically, just extremely BORED. Just have a few questions: 1. Are white/sweet potatoes really ok? Yes, they're really okay. 2. Is any kind of juice ok? (would love some OJ). If not, WHAT do y'all drink besides coffee and water? No, we recommend you don't drink juice. Coffee, tea, water, sparkling water, some kombucha if you like it... 3. Just want to confirm that Morton's salt is ok, I read it had sugar. I'm using so much of it. Could that be why I have not had bad withdrawals because I'm getting sugar from the salt? Table salt has a pass for the small amount of sugar that is in it... your body will not notice it... 4. How many bananas/avocados are too many? So far I have had two bananas (total in 4 days) and a small avocado each day. Love me an avocado with salt. An avocado with every meal is fine if you like that as your fat. Fruit is recommended to be 0-2 fist sized servings a day, eaten WITH meals, not as snacks. ok that's it. Good luck all!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socalmama Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 On 5/2/2017 at 11:06 PM, jmcbn said: People approach it in different ways and, again, it depends very much on how long the race is likely to take - I've asked you twice about that but you've yet to comment. If the body is fat adapted it is very possible (I've done it myself for many OCR events lasting around 3.5hrs IIRC, fuelling only on water throughout) to race on stored body fat & pre loaded carbs (from veg which replenish MUSCLE glucogen - which you will be depleting - not liver glycogen, which fruit restores), but you have to be working toward that goal from the get go. Pre WO the recommendation is for protein & fat - hard boiled eggs, chicken & mayo, nut butters if your digestive system can handle them... PreWO is NOT fuel. Protein & fat are slow to be digested and won't peak in your blood as fuel for more than an hour. Eating preWO is more of a signal to your body that it can burn the stores it already has in place because more fuel is forthcoming. Post WO we'd recommend a lean protein and optional starchy carb. The lean protein for protein muscle synthesis, and the starchy carb to aid with this from the spike in blood sugar that it provides as well as replacing depleted muscle glycogen. Fruit as I mentioned above replaces liver glycogen - the last kind of glycogen to be used by the body so not really effective post WO. Fruit is also thought to spike too fast meaning it doesn't help with repairing the muscle. Fat slows down absorption of the nutrients so it's not recommended postWO either. Provided you are eating adequate starch on a daily basis you may find you don't need fuel during the event, or at least until the latter stages at which point a lot of people rely on pouches of pureed sweet potato. What works for you will depend very much on where you are in your training, how you compose your meals throughout your 30 days, the distance/length of the event, and when it is - have a read through the Whole30 for Athletes section of the forum. Pretty much everything you'll want to know will already have been discussed there. Hope this helps. thanks! training is for Olympic distance Tri & a Super Spartan race. hard to give exact time for these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TarynYS Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 I intended to start the program on May 1 but some things got in the way. So I started yesterday and posted the following on the forum today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jangmi74 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 What is everyone eating for snacks? Favorite snacks?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators SugarcubeOD Posted May 4, 2017 Moderators Share Posted May 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, jangmi74 said: What is everyone eating for snacks? Favorite snacks?? Snacks are not recommended... we want you eating 3 meals a day spaced 4-5 hours apart. While you're working on getting this down, you can eat between meals, but rather than 'snacks' we would recommend protein and fat and ideally veggies in a mini meal... so some egg salad with cucumbers or similar... Hand to mouth snacking is discouraged, and nuts/nut butters and fruit, which are the most popular 'snacks' are recommended to be limited and not eaten alone, but WITH a meal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jangmi74 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 34 minutes ago, SugarcubeOD said: Snacks are not recommended... we want you eating 3 meals a day spaced 4-5 hours apart. While you're working on getting this down, you can eat between meals, but rather than 'snacks' we would recommend protein and fat and ideally veggies in a mini meal... so some egg salad with cucumbers or similar... Hand to mouth snacking is discouraged, and nuts/nut butters and fruit, which are the most popular 'snacks' are recommended to be limited and not eaten alone, but WITH a meal. Thanks for your responses. Do I have to start over if I've been hand to mouth eating raspberries and blackberries? And for a "snack" I could have a small pork chop between meals?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators ladyshanny Posted May 4, 2017 Administrators Share Posted May 4, 2017 13 minutes ago, jangmi74 said: Thanks for your responses. Do I have to start over if I've been hand to mouth eating raspberries and blackberries? And for a "snack" I could have a small pork chop between meals?" The only reason to actually start over is if you ate something that is not compliant. Using fruits as you mention above is more of a psychological issue of needing sweets and hand-to-mouth mindless eating. You do not have to start over for that. If you do need food in between your meals while you're working to make them last you 4-5 hours and you're hungry enough to eat something bland like steamed broccoli and white fish, you could definitely eat something like a pork chop. Add a little fat or some veggies and that'll tide you over well until your next meal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobebeth Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 4 hours ago, jangmi74 said: WHAT do y'all drink besides coffee and water? I have suddenly become flavored sparkling/seltzer (like La Croix) water's biggest fan. And am also just trying to get used to drinking more plain water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobebeth Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 6 hours ago, jmcbn said: Hey @gobebeth - I just had a quick look at your log and it looks like you could do with more fat in your meals - this should help with both energy & mood as it's needed for brain health. Try avoiding nuts & nut butters as these can be inflammatory and could contribute to your skin break outs & stomach cramps - things like avocado, home-made mayo, clarified butter/ghee, olives are all pretty satiating.... You look to be getting enough starchy veg which is a good thing for your anxiety so hang in there! Thanks for the advice! I looove avocados, so I'm going to try to incorporate those more! I also have plans to try to make mayo, but I've never done it before! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msois Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 hi guys - been following the thread for a few days and now finally posting. i'm on day 3 now - of course i caught a cold on day 1 so it's been a bit tough but i'm confident i'll be feeling 100% in a few days! i started because my doctor said i was 1 pound away from being in the overweight range - and though this wasn't news to me - it was the step that i needed to commit to something bigger than just "trying" to eat healthy. my boyfriend initially was very supportive (he actually suggested whole 30 but had no idea what it truly entailed!) and after 3 days he is concerned we won't be able to be social or go out much for the next 30 days. he looooves going out to eat but i'm weary of restaurants during w30! any advice on how to best handle? i offered to continue going out to places he likes but am nervous that i will accidentally eat something non-compliant. i love cooking my own meals so i have no problems with making every meal the next 30 days - but i do want to reach some sort of compromise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkinm Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 DAyers 4 almost over. I made tacos for my family and my daughter's 2 friends and I have my dinner cooking now. I browned some ground beef and added cut up zucchini and eggplant. I put in a small can of tomato sauce and seasoned it with garlic powder,cumin,chili powder and salt and pepper. It is simmering now while I bake a potato. When that is done, I will put the meat mixture over half the potato and tomorrow' morning I'll cut up the other half and fry it to have along with my eggs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altyburger Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Hello friends, End of Day 4: I am feeling NAUSEOUS...and backed up. Anyone else? I am tying to follow the meal template as best as I can. Here was today: BREAKFAST: Jalepeño Turkey Burger, topped with egg fried in EVOO, apple (for fiber). --coffee to regulate-- LUNCH: two HB eggs in salad, homemade compliant salsa, 1/2 avocado, mixed organic greens DINNER: Mealoaf whole 30 recipe from Real Plans, "mashed" white potatoes with EVOO, cooked green beans in EVOO I have not had any snacks until I got off work tonight at 10pm, and broke out my first Larabar. Trying to limit those to max 2/week. I want to break my sugar/snacking after work habit! Also, felt nauseous day 2, and my local health food store sells compliant ginger kombucha on tap! This was a life saver. What tweaks or advice do you guys have for me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcbn Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 3 hours ago, altyburger said: What tweaks or advice do you guys have for me? Well I'd ditch the larabars for starters Seriously though, the larabars are for EMERGENCY USE ONLY - I don't see mention of an emergency in your post - and feeding a sugar/snack craving with a sugary snack is going to get you nowhere fast. Plus those nuts can play havoc with your already compromised digestive system. And talking of that, how much water are you drinking? The recommendation is for a half an ounce per pound of body weight dialy. If you're not getting that then I'd start there. I'd also switch the early morning fruit for more fibrous veg - leafy greens, broccoli, & sprouts for example. Are you taking a magnesium supplement? If not I'd start as many people find it helps in the bathroom department as well as with sleep. You could also add more fat. The half avocado is great at lunch, but it's likely that much of the EVOO you've used for cooking will have stayed in the pan so don;t be add to add something to the plate. Let us know how you get on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldmcniel Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Day 4 is over! I'm definitely still struggling with energy, and I need to figure out when I'm actually hungry... my hips are KILLING me too today... anyway I'm glad today is over. On to day 5! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.C.Cool Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 I started on May 1st, and this is my 1st Whole30! I normally have super high blood sugars in the morning...usually in the upper 100s to mid 200s. For the past 5 days, they've been under 100! My blood sugar was 78 this morning, and I had a baked potato with supper last night! The hardest part so far is resisting the temptation to get fast food after a hard day's work. And wouldn't you know, everybody brings unhealthy snacks this time of year to work as teacher appreciation rewards and end-of-school celebrations! I picked the right time to do this Whole30! Even though it's so tempting to fit in and eat a sausage ball (why did they have to bring my favorite party food...sausage balls?!), I'm glad for the excuse to not give in and eat doughnuts and such every morning. I feel great and have lots of energy already. I do feel the tiredness, though. Yesterday morning when the alarm clock went off, I put my hand over my dog's mouth to turn off the alarm! Ha ha! She forgave me and wanted to play when I finally woke up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCLaymon Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 @zealy keep on truckin'! These first couple of weeks will have ups and downs but you can do it! I always feel eating sugar will back me feel better, and it does for approximately 2 minutes. For me, after about 2 weeks I typically feel better all the time, think more clearly, and don't get frustrated so easily. It will be worth it! @gobebeth my feelings of anxiety also improve when I'm eating well. Keep us posted on how the new meds go and expect the best! @Strictlyspeaking I love a good salmon, but you won't be getting liver advice from me! I'm always curious to know how the experiments go, though, so let us know. @AZsunshine you're first Non Scale Victory! (NSV) Welcome @HouseOfAnnaM If you message me your Facebook, I'd love to follow along with you. Today my son has a few events at school, and baking is one of my favorite things to do. I was already to bake last night, and I just realized that I'm not in a solid enough place yet to face that kind of temptation. So I bought some pre-made stuff at the store, which my son was fine with, and was really proud for making a good choice. I am feeling a little tired today and look forward to sleeping in tomorrow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brie Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Good morning, I have a question about eating fruit as I have been reading to have it with meals. My dilemma with that is as far as I can remember I need to have fruit about half hour before protein type of foods, they've never mixed well with digestion, fermentation issues. Nuts would be ok but trying to limit those or avoid this month. Maybe an advocado or half of one for some fat would work alright. What I've been doing is after work having a small bowl of banana, apple, orange or some combo with some coconut flakes to tide me over while making or heating dinner. Or else, I'll have a half an orange or something similar while preparing breakfast. I have an early schedule so my lunch time is around 11:30 by the time I get home at 4:30 I'm pretty physically hungry, stomach grumbling, once dinner is ready it can be around 6. I use realplans meal planning app to prepare my meals. Any suggestions? Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBison Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Hello all! Congrats on making it to day 5! For all you who are doing this for the first time, Welcome!! I hope your are enjoying the journey so far! Keep up the good work everyone! Today is day 1 for me! And I'm already craving every sweet thing I can imagine! For those of you who are veterans, I have a question about meal times. I'm up at 5 every morning. I usually don't eat breakfast until 8:30 because at that time I can sit down and actually enjoy it. Plus then lunch isn't too far away (11:30-12). Should I be eating first thing when I wake up and have a mini meal in between? 6 hours seems like it will be too long for me to wait to eat lunch! Keep up the good work everyone! You're doing great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtFossil Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 19 minutes ago, LBison said: Hello all! Congrats on making it to day 5! For all you who are doing this for the first time, Welcome!! I hope your are enjoying the journey so far! Keep up the good work everyone! Today is day 1 for me! And I'm already craving every sweet thing I can imagine! For those of you who are veterans, I have a question about meal times. I'm up at 5 every morning. I usually don't eat breakfast until 8:30 because at that time I can sit down and actually enjoy it. Plus then lunch isn't too far away (11:30-12). Should I be eating first thing when I wake up and have a mini meal in between? 6 hours seems like it will be too long for me to wait to eat lunch! Keep up the good work everyone! You're doing great! Eating a template meal within one hour of waking is the best way to put your day on a solid footing (and balance your hormones and fuel your activities). You will find you can easily go 5 or more hours to lunch if you eat to the template and don't forget your fats. And yes, if you get too hungry, have a mini meal but not too close to lunch! Within a few days I bet you find you don't need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyMandy Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Good morning! I'm on day 4 and very happy to be here. I had some struggles with day 2; I was going through serious sugar withdrawal and suffered a crippling migraine headache. Day 3 had some interesting side effects too; I just felt bad. Like depressed bad. I am an emotional eater, and sweets are usually my treat, but not having those comfort foods to turn to had me feeling like someone close to me died. I forced myself to get through my day, which was made easy because the morning and afternoon was spent with one of my best friends so it was just what I needed. Then my sweet hubby came home with some roses for me. I'm so happy to have the support at home that I need to get through this. I am finding each day is getting easier little by little. The recipes on the blog are so delicious too that I am not getting bored with food. If anyone is struggling with that, I highly recommend checking some out. Have a great day everyone! Oh, and if anyone's on FB a few of us have started a group. Feel free to join if you want. Just search for Whole30 May 1st Start for the Win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strictlyspeaking Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 The liver did not go well with the fam but they were sports about it and I have leftovers in the freezer! I am wakin gupa t 4 am and not able to go back to sleep but I have lots of energy anyway! Going to Disney tomorrow for a day trip with the marching band. Will be a grueling almost 24 hour day. A little worried but I have traveled before. Have a great day everyone you can do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altyburger Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 7 hours ago, jmcbn said: Well I'd ditch the larabars for starters Seriously though, the larabars are for EMERGENCY USE ONLY - I don't see mention of an emergency in your post - and feeding a sugar/snack craving with a sugary snack is going to get you nowhere fast. Plus those nuts can play havoc with your already compromised digestive system. And talking of that, how much water are you drinking? The recommendation is for a half an ounce per pound of body weight dialy. If you're not getting that then I'd start there. I'd also switch the early morning fruit for more fibrous veg - leafy greens, broccoli, & sprouts for example. Are you taking a magnesium supplement? If not I'd start as many people find it helps in the bathroom department as well as with sleep. You could also add more fat. The half avocado is great at lunch, but it's likely that much of the EVOO you've used for cooking will have stayed in the pan so don;t be add to add something to the plate. Let us know how you get on. You're right, that Larabar is just a substitute for my sugary craving. If I'm hungry late at night, maybe an apple and some almond butter? I was looking into FODMAP information last night, too...I have had trouble with my stomach since I was a baby (colic, dairy, etc.). And, I love sugar. So may have leaky gut/FODMAP Trying to get enough water! Definitely had around 70 oz yesterday. I weigh 140 lbs, so would that be the amount I am supposed to have? A natural health specialist (from hair analysis) told me that I should take magnesium a while ago. Any recommended brands? I was taking nature made for a while. I'm one of those that's scared of too much fat, I believe I fried 3 eggs in coconut oil this morning, with spices. Then cooked up my mixed greens and some cherry tomatoes, tossed in EVOO. Does that sound like a better choice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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