Moluv Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Has anyone on the AIP tested themselves for eggs using the yolks only? I've heard it's the whites that are irritating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsona Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Has anyone on the AIP tested themselves for eggs using the yolks only? I've heard it's the whites that are irritating. I have! I hard boiled the eggs and took the yolks out. I have reacted to the whole egg in the past, and didn't have as much with the yolk. I'm actually going to test it again to see if it was the cause of some extreme fatigue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holly Posted March 9, 2013 Author Share Posted March 9, 2013 Holly I can't link to it on my phone, but at www.chriskresser.com there is a great post about IBS and insoluble fiber veggies- and the comments are helpful too. I missed the ibs protocol the first time I read iswf and returned it to the library- I bought the book today though and may be tagging along. Which article did you think was good? I found a few that looked good on that site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moluv Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Which article did you think was good? I found a few that looked good on that site. This one was most eye opening for me: http://chriskresser.com/got-digestive-problems-take-it-easy-on-the-veggies# My digestion has improved tremendously since I started taking his advice. I also re-read the sections on IBS in iswf and have adopted the ibs protocol- they recommend 6 months. That has been something I am wrapping my head around- I'm committed though. I started a new food log called "moluvs IBS protocol long haul" if you want to chime in on that too. Sorry for my lack of hyperlinks, I'm too lame to figure out how to do it from my iPhone but if anyone wants to give me a lesson feel free to message! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holly Posted March 13, 2013 Author Share Posted March 13, 2013 Thank you! Don't worry about the hyperlinks, I can't figure out how to quote someone on here and only take a partial quote. Re-reading the section in ISWF about IBS and acknowledging the process of 6 months to forever....whoa that was hard for me. Overall every day that goes by is easier to adopt this way of eating as a lifestyle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jodylisa Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 I'm lucky that my doctor is part of a holistic practice, so she actually recommended I do an elimination diet. which is why I finally started the Whole30 after considering it for several months. I'm on day 18, and I went back in to go over some tests, and my doc pushed me to give up caffeine entirely, and told me it might take at least 3 months to fully repair my gut. I have to admit, it's a hard pill to swallow. As much as I want to make this a full-time lifestyle, it's tough to go to restaurants and feel like there's nothing safe, and one misstep will have me starting over. Especially since it seems like I should cut down on raw veggies so "salad, no dressing" is out, too. Plus, I'm obsessed with coffee, so the idea of giving it up has been a little upsetting, too. Have any of you had a tough time emotionally dealing with the sheer magnitude of a several-month (lifetime?) IBS protocol? I felt so empowered with the Whole30, but a Whole100 just seems so daunting.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsona Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 I'm lucky that my doctor is part of a holistic practice, so she actually recommended I do an elimination diet. which is why I finally started the Whole30 after considering it for several months. I'm on day 18, and I went back in to go over some tests, and my doc pushed me to give up caffeine entirely, and told me it might take at least 3 months to fully repair my gut. I have to admit, it's a hard pill to swallow. As much as I want to make this a full-time lifestyle, it's tough to go to restaurants and feel like there's nothing safe, and one misstep will have me starting over. Especially since it seems like I should cut down on raw veggies so "salad, no dressing" is out, too. Plus, I'm obsessed with coffee, so the idea of giving it up has been a little upsetting, too. Have any of you had a tough time emotionally dealing with the sheer magnitude of a several-month (lifetime?) IBS protocol? I felt so empowered with the Whole30, but a Whole100 just seems so daunting.... Jodylisa, I feel you! My naturopath said that I may need to continue on this path for a year. I am on day 63 of following a combo of the AI/IBS protocol and I keep wanting to add things in that "normal" people on the Whole 30 can do. Then, it doesn't go well when I do. I feel like I go up and down. One day I'll remember why I'm doing this and feel good and the next I feel like a whiny mess and I just really want a cup of (damn) coffee I have only gone out to eat once since starting. I haven't figured out how to navigate that and feel happy. I ordered a steak and field greens and was not full at all. Then I kept staring at people's fries. So, cooking at home has been really working for me to be honest. Here is the one thing that keeps me going: I feel loads better and more in control since about day 25, so I would say hang in there! I know everyone is different, so I'm not saying you'll have the same experience, but maybe it gives you some encouragement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moluv Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Thank you! Don't worry about the hyperlinks, I can't figure out how to quote someone on here and only take a partial quote. Holly- I just "quote" them and delete the other stuff I don't want in it making sure not to delete the HTML parts in brackets. And to the everyone who is speaking of the difficulty of sticking with such a strict program for such a long time- YES TOTALLY UGH IT'S KIND OF HARD. I think what is making it work for me is I finally had enough flareups after eating clean, feeling great and trying to "test" nuts or coffee again. I mean, the results are ALWAYS THE SAME- bloating, cramps, tight pants, brain fog and a dip in self esteem. It takes about 5 days to get over it. What a nasty and pointless cycle. I'm turning 34 next month- I'm in the prime of my life still, I don't have time for that mess. I lament my ignorance in my 20's- the bad acne, severe mood swings, drugs- I had no clue about my digestion and how food could cure me. Whenever I start feeling whiny or pouting about eating the same thing day after day or not being able to go out- I think back to all the time wasted and then I am eager to take my life back- one meal at a time. I also have a fair amount of rage at the industrial food system, so making my food choices feels political and easier to do. Keep on truckin' everybody!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadia B Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 I have to admit, it's a hard pill to swallow. As much as I want to make this a full-time lifestyle, it's tough to go to restaurants and feel like there's nothing safe, and one misstep will have me starting over. Especially since it seems like I should cut down on raw veggies so "salad, no dressing" is out, too. Plus, I'm obsessed with coffee, so the idea of giving it up has been a little upsetting, too. I'm with your girl, I went from shock and anger from the list of food I'll have to eliminate to meltdown to determination. I love my morning coffee. I had no trouble cutting down from 4-5 cups a day to 1. I wake up every morning saying that I am not drinking it. Yea right. Urgh. However I keep trying. Moluv brought very good points. I am also reading a "Paleo Coach" book, it's brilliant. Yesterday I read a piece that is very related to this situation. Author is asking to imagine scales every time we have to make a less than perfect food choice and list reasons for eating it and not. Most of the time there will be only one reason behind eating _______ tastes good. While other part of scales will carry multiple important reasons about your health. Every time we chose to eat something that harms us we have to fully aknowlege that flavor is more important than our goals. So simple and so difficult. But I really loved this scales thing. I think this kind of scales is totally allowed As for eating out - I had success with asking for grilled veggies. Most of the places are ok with this. Especially if you do your due diligence beforehand and study their menu/give tham a call/blahblah you know it by now people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holly Posted March 16, 2013 Author Share Posted March 16, 2013 Holly- I just "quote" them and delete the other stuff I don't want in it making sure not to delete the HTML parts in brackets. THANK YOU!! I still test out coffee. Have no idea why. Today was a good example with a negative effect. Caffeine is actually what makes me feel horrible too in a full body way, but interestingly enough this year since eating clean I seem to be able to tolerate smaller amounts of caffeine. Like, 1/3 cup of coffee. It doesn't make me as shakey. My gut didn't like it today though, that's for sure. Granted, I'm on an antibiotic for strep throat, so that is probably the real culprit. It's prob best not to push my limits right now. What I'm hoping is that after time, like I have heard other people say, that as long as you (we) are eating Paleo then we don't have to be so limiting within the Paleo guidelines. I am also reading a "Paleo Coach" book, it's brilliant. Yesterday I read a piece that is very related to this situation. Author is asking to imagine scales every time we have to make a less than perfect food choice and list reasons for eating it and not. Most of the time there will be only one reason behind eating _______ tastes good. While other part of scales will carry multiple important reasons about your health. Every time we chose to eat something that harms us we have to fully aknowlege that flavor is more important than our goals. So simple and so difficult. I have been wanting this book. Sounds like people are loving it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRothchild Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Would a moderator please delete my post? Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsona Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 I still test out coffee. Have no idea why. Today was a good example with a negative effect. Caffeine is actually what makes me feel horrible too in a full body way, but interestingly enough this year since eating clean I seem to be able to tolerate smaller amounts of caffeine. Like, 1/3 cup of coffee. It doesn't make me as shakey. My gut didn't like it today though, that's for sure. Granted, I'm on an antibiotic for strep throat, so that is probably the real culprit. It's prob best not to push my limits right now. What I'm hoping is that after time, like I have heard other people say, that as long as you (we) are eating Paleo then we don't have to be so limiting within the Paleo guidelines. It would be awesome if what you say is true, that if we stay strong now, eventually we can just be 'regular paleo peeps' and not have the repercussions in the gut. I am also silly like you and test out coffee/caffeine once in a while and am reminded why I probably shouldn't. I am on day 71 and feel overall great. I have been on several rounds of antibiotics in the last year for all sorts of stomach 'bugs' and feel like this is helping in my recuperation. How are you feeling overall? What day are you on now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holly Posted March 23, 2013 Author Share Posted March 23, 2013 I am about 2 months and a week since I started Whole 30-ing, except last week I had a tortilla. I was fine, and that made me decide that I'm not going to worry about being super strict anymore. I want to continue to eat paleo foods that I know work for me, overall. My digestion is back to being great, the effects of the antibiotics seem to have worn off. My plan was to go 100 days being strict, but I don't see the point anymore. Eating this way has become a preference as well as a habit. It isn't that hard to figure it out anymore, and my kids are getting more on board all the time too. I haven't added alcohol back into the mix, but I don't really feel like it anyway. That part I found interesting. Alcohol is the big thing that intimidates me because I feel like I will probably really feel like doo-doo, and I don't want to feel that way. Yesterday at work I forgot my food for the second time in this whole process. It stressed me out to choose from the cafeteria food, and I don't want to feel that kind of stress anymore. They had a nice chopped vegetable soup fortunately, so I got that at lunch with some deli roast beef and some broccoli salad that they had. I'm trying not to worry about the dressing that was on it, it seemed like regular mayo. Dinner was the soup again with some hard boiled eggs. Not too shabby, and basically ok to eat like that once and awhile. I'm not feeling any negative effects from that yet. The only thing was that I was hungrier than usual yesterday, and I don't want to make it a habit. This experience has been such a gift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsona Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Holly, that is so wonderful that you are feeling so much better and in control of your symptoms! Because I have gluten intolerance along with some other issues, I'm not able to offroad quite so liberally, but I am finally able to add weak coffee (which is a beautiful thing), coconut butter and some cocoa. I'm pretty darn happy about these small wins! Maybe someday soon, there will be more to add to that list Thanks for the update! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holly Posted March 27, 2013 Author Share Posted March 27, 2013 The tortilla I ate was corn- not flour. Gluten wasn't really a part of my diet prior to this. I'm so jealous you can eat coconut butter! Coconut irritates my gut so bad, and also causes allergic reaction. boo hoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsona Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 It's so funny, I am now questioning the coconut butter. Boo for both of us!!! AND I took out the weak coffee (again). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochellerella Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 I'm on day 19 of the Whole30 thing and while I can say I am generally feeling much better then I ever have in my whole life, I'm still experiencing some down days and my dubbed "special case of weirdness." I've had stomach/digestive issues my entire life. While my parents knew I had issues with milk they still fed it to me and every time I complained (which was seriously everyday) of stomach or other such pains they would just tell me to suck it up and go to school. So for most of my life I thought feeling this way was normal. This kept up until January of 2012 when I decided i just couldn't take it anymore, that these pains I was experiencing EVERYDAY was NOT normal. I did some self-exploring with foods, gluten-free, cutting dairy and playing around with little rewards- I was still feeling crappy. I went the primary care doctor route, she brushed me off and said it was probably IBS and tried to prescribe me different medications of which I said no (I'm very uh, paranoid you could say about taking medicines and going to doctors so this was even more frustrating). I eventually ended up going to a specialist and they ran a series of blood tests and other internal tests and stuff to come up with gastritis (which is basically "there's inflammation and stuff wrong but we don't know what it is"). I often had days where I just said f* it, and ate whatever because nothing I did was working. That was until my co-worker (now friend) told me about the whole30 she was on (she's also doing/did that cross-fit stuff and while I'm all for people doing whatever makes them healthier and happier its not for me) and how great she was feeling on it and after completing it, I thought that I would have to try it too (what did I have to lose?) I bought the book and have been reading it anytime I have the time to spare, plus I read through most of the articles on the main site while my book was on the way. Dairy and Grains were not hard to omit and still don't pose me any sort of craving (except maybe the So Delicious brand of a probiotic drink) but Sugar, holy crap I'm still struggling with the dragon in my head. Its mainly just down to chocolate now, I don't particularly miss all the other desserts as much as I miss my extra dark chocolate (never was a milk or white fan-gross!!). But regardless those aren't the issues I'm dealing with still. I was told after my test results came back to perhaps try some FODMAP-free foods, of which I have smashed with my Whole30. What I'm struggling with is that a lot of the recipes and food-stuff everyone is recommending has ingredients that I "can't" and/or choose not to have. I tried late last week to re-introduce avocado into my diet (hadn't eaten it since November) and it didn't go over very well. I haven't done onions or garlic yet, but I'm worried that it will be the same as with the avocado. And also what I'm dealing with is non-consistency with my foods and stomach, for example I'll have carrots one day as a snack and be totally fine but then not even 3-4 days later I'll eat the same amount of carrots from the same batch and get a wicked stomach ache. I'm chalking myself up to be a special case of stomach/digestive weirdness that needs a lot more time to heal internally, I plan to do a Whole60 or 90 or however long it takes to start feeling better again. My question/request is that is there any comprehensive site or article or group of people with crazy internalness that can get together a meal plan of some sort for people like me? I don't mind eating plain, I've been doing it most of my Whole30 anyways but I need some support I guess from similar people who have serious issues internally. I'm about to be 24 and I just feel like this isn't normal and that I need some extra help as far as guidelines go. I should also say I'm considered an extreme stressor of sorts and have been making huge efforts to "chill out." I work 2 jobs and try to give myself one day off a week so snacking (fruits and nuts and certain veggies) has to be an option for me. Does anyone have any suggestions or how can we help make a section for (what I'm calling) extreme food sensitivity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moluv Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Rochellerella- I think a lot of us on here find ourselves with "extreme internal weirdness" and sadly, won't ever find someone else to give us a meal plan that works over time because our biological landscape changes by the minute. I also notice that some days I can eat something and feel great and another time not great- but I do keep a food log and can usually trace it back to an irritant from a day or two prior. I get frustrated reading paleo blogs- even the ones for autoimmune or IBS because the recipes always contain at least one thing I am avoiding (citrus, spices, fodmap) and I start thinking things like, "well if so and so is eating _______ and healing maybe I can too" and that hasn't worked out so well for me. What has worked is having a running list in my head (should be on paper) of my safe foods- these are things I never ever react to and that I feel good after eating. It's a pretty short list right now of grassfed beef or lamb, butternut squash (or other starchy squash) and green beans. I never run out of these foods and I eat them quite often and especially after I've had a reaction to something my next meal will for sure be beef and butternut squash. I think that helps me recover faster from GI distress than I used to when I kept irritating myself. Then I have a longer list of ingredients I'm pretty sure are good for me and I just make my food from that list. I make it tasty but following a recipe is just not something I can do right now. The part about needing nuts and fruit to be snacking options is a little concerning, especially since you posted in an IBS thread, which seems appropriate given your history with stomach problems. Nuts are wildly irritating to the gut of people who already have gut issues and I don't think even a small amount is safe. Fruit also may give you too much sugar at once for your small intestine to comfortably handle and (along with raw veggies) could be prolonging your troubles. Have you read ISWF? There is a section (small section) for IBS/IBD which explains this more and for the kind of healing you need you will likely have to follow the IBS protocol (if not the autoimmune as well) for a month or more to get relief. Once I cut nuts and coffee out of my diet I stopped reacting so much to fodmaps, and that has been a huge relief. While I am probably eating some things that you can't, you might get a few meal ideas from my food log, as well as from some others who follow it. And plus, we talk a lot about various reactions to things and offer support. It's here: http://forum.whole9life.com/topic/8478-moluvs-aip/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsona Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Hi Rochellerella! I will echo what Moluv has said. From what I can tell, you really should follow the IBS protocol for some time and see how you feel. What is tricky about certain foods is that you can have delayed reactions in your gut if you are eating some irritants. Then you think it's the carrots and it could have been the nuts or something else you have eaten prior to those. I have done many elimination diets, but following a mix of the AI and IBS protocols has been the most informative for me as far as what is actually irritating my system. I am on day 77 and don't plan on stopping for a while. It is taking time, and when I try to go off the plan, it backfires on me. So, I figure I must need more healing time. Wishing you health on your journey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mary-t Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Just to echo Moluv and Johnsona, find your safe foods (think of them as your new comfort foods) and stick with them, particularly in times of trouble. Although there are foods are the typical culprits, you'll find that you have some problem foods that others may not. I found that the AIP protocol was what I needed, even though the thought of giving up nuts, eggs, and nightshades was thoroughly depressing at the time. I found that it was even more depressing to continue to ride "my sick cycle". I decided I'd rather give them up than continue to be sick and never improve (been there, did that for over 18 months post-Celiac diagnosis). As long as I was stubborn about food restrictions, I got nowhere. But when I opened myself to the possibilities of a restricted diet, I discovered what "feeling good" felt like (and it was way beyond anything I'd experienced in years). It just took a lot of experimentation. I followed the AIP protocol for 50 days and did another 35-40 with very few departures (namely, dairy-free, nut-free, soy-free chocolate). I'm now re-introducing AIP foods and not having a reaction to them now is worth every "boring" meal and every skipped craving of the last three months. Hang in there, keep a detailed food journal, watch for patterns, and you will start to feel better and you will see that it's all worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabby5642 Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Yes I finally got access to the forum! Ok, sorry about the unnecessary celebration, I am just glad I finally get to get this off my chest! I'm sure many people can relate to this issue...IBS. I have been having gurgly gut, cramping, extreme bloating, diarrhea, constipation, you name it... Ever since I can remember, and it has progressively gotten worse over the last 5-6 years. It is embarrassing/frustrating/depressing to say the least. I have gotten every test done only to be told that there's nothing wrong...and I have to live with it?!? Ughh no thanks, eff that I refuse to live constantly worrying about "episodes" when I'm out and about and also dreading meal times when I know I'll instantly become pregnant with a food baby named Humberto. So I have learned to live with it but my life has been sub par. I get moody and anxious when my stomach isn't right which is like alllll the time, not to mention the pain. Then I discovered Whole30....I thought why not, tried everything else...I'm on day 20... No change, still feel like crap, worse even. Did some more research and bam...found FODMAP. Now I plan on finishing out my whole30 but then I want to try out this elimination diet, maybe all the "healthy" stuff I'm eating/love is what's doing me in?? Any thought on any of this, support/advice would be deeply appreciated! I started a blog for the Whole30 (it's pretty plain, I'm not very tech saavy) but anywho, I pretty much post everything I eat, maybe someone has insight into what I'm doing wrong??? http://whole30fortheworkingirl.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsona Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Yes I finally got access to the forum! Ok, sorry about the unnecessary celebration, I am just glad I finally get to get this off my chest! I'm sure many people can relate to this issue...IBS. I have been having gurgly gut, cramping, extreme bloating, diarrhea, constipation, you name it... Ever since I can remember, and it has progressively gotten worse over the last 5-6 years. It is embarrassing/frustrating/depressing to say the least. I have gotten every test done only to be told that there's nothing wrong...and I have to live with it?!? Ughh no thanks, eff that I refuse to live constantly worrying about "episodes" when I'm out and about and also dreading meal times when I know I'll instantly become pregnant with a food baby named Humberto. So I have learned to live with it but my life has been sub par. I get moody and anxious when my stomach isn't right which is like alllll the time, not to mention the pain. Then I discovered Whole30....I thought why not, tried everything else...I'm on day 20... No change, still feel like crap, worse even. Did some more research and bam...found FODMAP. Now I plan on finishing out my whole30 but then I want to try out this elimination diet, maybe all the "healthy" stuff I'm eating/love is what's doing me in?? Any thought on any of this, support/advice would be deeply appreciated! I started a blog for the Whole30 (it's pretty plain, I'm not very tech saavy) but anywho, I pretty much post everything I eat, maybe someone has insight into what I'm doing wrong??? http://whole30fortheworkingirl.blogspot.com/ Hi Sabby! What tests have you gotten? I had been through the gamete of tests, but finally, about a year and half ago, got a test that gave me some real answers. My chiropractor gave it to me. It is by metametrix. Here is the one I did: http://www.metametrix.com/test-menu/profiles/gastrointestinal-function/dna-stool-analysis-gi-effects. Although it wasn't covered by insurance, it was worth it for me. They found a parasite (blastocystis hominis) that was doing me in! After 3 treatments, it is finally gone and I can eat again without diarrhea, bloating, pain, etc etc. I am not saying this is your issue, but it really might give you more answers than what a regular GI or even naturopath can give you. If you don't want to take the test, I would highly recommend reading the section in ISWF about IBS and follow the protocol closely. Even with the parasite, this protocol did help with my issues. I am now able to live on a regular paleo diet and feel great! But, it has taken about a year to fight off some bugs in my system and build myself back up to health. I think I am actually still in the process of building my system/gut back to optimal. Anyways, I wish you good health on your journey and please let me know if you have any questions at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabby5642 Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Hi johnsona! I have actually requested this test from my Drs, both my regular and GI Dr and both of them said it was not usually used and it just never got done =(. How do I go about requesting this test? What Dr do I go to? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsona Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Where are you located? If you were in Portland, I'd have all sorts of answers for you There is a section on their website that is labeled 'patients'. Go there and go to 'find a doctor'. Hopefully that will give you the name of a doc that would give you the test. I was just lucky that it was suggested to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabby5642 Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Unfortunately I am not in Portland, I am in Houston, TX! I will check out that website and see what I can find! Thanks for all the help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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