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  1. Thanks for the input jmcbn. As much as I'd like to recreate my meals for 40 days from 8 months ago, my memory ain't what it used to be. But I get it. What I don't get is why I would have a composition problem if we were eating almost solely from the W30 book (plus a NomNom Paleo recipe every now and then). I have no idea if I was fat adapted, but it was mentioned above, so I decided to look into it. My protein intake was higher than it was pre-W30 because protein was filling for me. My between meal snacks were often jerky, nuts, or eggs. But my trainers have repeatedly mentioned that I need even MORE protein, *and* carbohydrates. I finally caved and bought some plant-based, soy-free protein powder this week to put in smoothies. We'll see if it makes any difference. My family has a history of blood sugar issues that *aren't* diabetes related. I take after my mother, and that side of the family is almost always thin till the end, live long, are very active, and have fainting/dizzy/blood sugar issues where they don't have enough sugar. Maybe that's indicative of diet problems, but I believe part of it is genetic as well. All of the are prone to have a piece of fruit with them as they travel or work. We have started a new round of W30. I may/may not complete it, depending on how I feel. I may do Food Freedom instead with some whole grains (quinoa, oats) and then tailor things depending on how I feel. I am going to try and keep a food diary this time and see if it sheds any light on anything.
  2. Hehe. Sorry, ladyshanny. I didn't mean to intimate that I'd *literally* starve myself. But I'm reading up now on what "normal" fat adaption timelines look like to see what I might be able to do differently, or if my body just eats itself more quickly than everyone else's.
  3. Thanks, Sugarcube. Since we weren't actively calorie counting during our first run of W30, I've no idea whether I was eating enough. But I did notably increase intake after losing weight. However, I did NOT make smoothies or increase fruit intake, which is a recommendation near the end of that first article. Perhaps that might be of help. My body processes sugars VERY quickly. It's why I can't sustain on junkfood. I need real, wholesome meals (I always have). But I think the opposite might also be true for me. Sometimes my burn rate is SO fast that I need a little octane boost to try and feed the burn rate. It's also possible that W30 just isn't the right fit for me as a lifestyle choice. Everyone is a bit different. Great question, ladyshanny. It's been long enough that I couldn't remember even if I try. I'm not sure if I reached fat adaptation or not, but I certainly didn't have a lot to burn to begin with. I just finished reading Mark Sisson's article on fat adaption here: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/what-does-it-mean-to-be-fat-adapted/ And it's interesting. I don't get hungry when I miss meals (usually) and haven't exercised a lot. I do sometimes get cranky. I never need naps. I never got headaches or fuzziness when I was on W30. But based on his list, you may be right, because I sure couldn't exercise without carbs and it just kept getting worse and worse. Maybe, ironically, it's going to take me getting to near starvation-level to trigger the fat adaptation. If 45 days wasn't long enough (with calculated re-introductions of foods), then it's going to be a long process for me. Might be worth it in the end, I dunno. I probably need to read up more on how long it takes some to reach fat adaption and what they do/have done to trigger the process, especially when they are of my body type. To the potato question, I rarely had them during W30. I would occasionally cook them for breakfast later in the diet, though, mainly due to my realization that I needed more starches, especially for intense/prolonged physical days (I remember cooking them when we were moving thousands of pounds of autoparts by hand). FWIW, large amounts of bread can make me have issues. However, potatoes have never been a problem for me to process. They are actually a comfort food for me. They taste good, feel good, and don't bother me later. Sweet potatoes, OTOH, are a taste I'm still trying to learn to appreciate.
  4. Ah. That would probably be most helpful. Thank you.
  5. Thanks for the clarifications, Sugarcube. Here are a few of my own: - I'm a fairly objective person. When I say "you're doing it wrong", it isn't a value statement. It means that there is literally something that needs to be altered in that person's individual plan. That's what I've seen on the forums when folks become concerned about fatigue or overloss. Nothing wrong with that. What at work I would refer to as an iterative process. - My reference to "Whole30 Lite" was due to ignorance of the term "Food Freedom", and certainly not meant to legally or procedurally derail other clients/users. Thank you. I'll reference your term in the future as the official nomenclature of non-W30 dietary methods. - I increased EVERYTHING substantially. More fat did not seem to alleviate fatigue during exercise and also exacerbated my excretory woes. - When I say "staying true as possible", I meant a base W30 diet with added elements that aren't W30-compliant. What I now know as "Food Freedom". - I don't think I have a "condition", per se, but I may be an outlier. I really have no idea. I suspect that if I am not, I may get some input here from others like me (thus my presence here). If I am, I will probably hear radio silence. And that's fine, too. I can figure it out on my own, but would prefer to try and base my core diet around W30 principles. All that being said, if there is anyone here that has had success with their Food Freedom diet that incorporates pillars of W30 and Paleo as their base, what non-compliant foods (minimal if possible) have you added to help with fatigue/weight loss and how frequently? Sugarcube, if I am violating rules here by soliciting "the best of the worst", then please let me know and I will depart as quickly as I signed up. If that is policy only of moderators and company representative and other are allowed to chime in, then I'd love to hear from them.
  6. Not sure if this is posted in the right place or not, but I think so. A little on me and my history with W30: - I am an ectomorph. I am thin (though not as much as I once was), tall, and struggle to build and maintain muscle mass. My metabolism is still high for a middle-aged man, but slowing with age and (likely) drop in testosterone. - I completed the W30 program with my SO back last December (started in November). We got through it without too much issue. She was grumpy the first few days due to sugar withdrawals, but otherwise we marched right through. Our only real snag was that we were sick to death of cooking our own meals and trying to have a real life at the same time (not possible). Also interesting with children in the house, but that's another story. Why I'm here asking: - I want to make it clear that I'm not trying to stir the pot here. I have researched a little bit (during my W30 run I had issues with fatigue and weight loss - more on that later), and I'm aware that conventional wisdom within the program is "you're doing it wrong". That's understandable to me for both practical and ideological reasons. Sometimes adjustments have to be made to accommodate extreme diet changes (for the better). - I AM here because I feel like this is the best place to find others like me that have done W30 and/or Paleo and have the same struggles I do with this diet. - I AM here because I LIKE this diet/lifestyle and see that there are large benefits to it for both me and my SO (she, in particular, sees GREAT benefits both physically and mentally). Namely, I sleep better (which is a HUGE deal for me) and have slightly better "long burn" mental/psychological energy. I also consume FAR more vegetables eating this way. I like that a lot. The problem: - I lose weight at a prodigious rate under the W30 program. We are about to embark on another round, but this time, for me, it's going to be "W30 Lite". But last time, I lost weight to the point of appearing gaunt, and my ribs beginning to show (hasn't been like that since I was a kid). If it were only these minor changes in appearance, I probably wouldn't be bothered (though those around me were concerned). To cut it off at the pass, I never weighed myself, nor counted calories during W30. I never did either prior to W30, either. I just didn't care. I got my weight when I went to the doctor. But for the first time in my life, I became concerned when I realized I'd lost 10% of my body weight in a month from a body that wasn't substantial to begin with. I did weigh myself after the program. - I did W30 to try and combat a skin allergy condition and use it as an isolation diet, FWIW. Any other benefits were secondary. It did not alleviate my skin issue, but did get me to be more methodical about documenting my food intake to try and track what might be the cause (still working on that). - I simply cannot workout without carbs or natural sugars (that I am aware of - but am all ears for suggestions I haven't tried). This isn't new for me. I learned long ago that without orange juice or some kind of carbohydrates prior to a morning workout, I would literally pass out. I started exercising only in the afternoons. It helped. But during W30, the deeper I got into the diet, the worse it got. By the end of week three, I stopped working out entirely. I was lifting less and couldn't even swim half of what I am accustomed to (usually a light/medium cardio for me is ~750 meters, 2-3 times per week). - I have read and heeded the advice to eat more frequently, eat a higher volume of foods, etc. But unfortunately, this did not solve my problem. After W30, I found that about 1/2-cup of quinoa or oats, and/or a shot of orange juice (or a fruit smoothie) was the recipe for me being able to not fatigue doing either cardio or lifting. - As an aside, my bowel movements NEVER returned to normal (solid) during my W30 trek. As soon as I re-added whole grains, they *immediately* returned to normal. I am now firmly back to misbehaving dietarily, as I've been having sugar desserts (I don't normally eat/crave sugar all that much), beer, wine, and potato chips (my weakness is fried potatoes), so I've swung TOO far back the other way. We are ready to get back on track. - As another note, I am technically healthy. My bloodwork is clean and well within range. Although my cholesterol did rise to borderline levels after W30 (damn bacon). The question: - For those of you that have done W30 and are my body type/have dealt with this previously, what have you added back to your diet that isn't technically W30-compliant, but is trying to stay as true as possible while still solving the twin problems of fatigue and too much weight loss?